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Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by jhp123 »

you have to wonder what sort of collusion isn't being uncovered. After all, when you catch someone doing something unethical, it is often the tip of the iceberg. It would be very easy for two tech execs to communicate privately and come to an agreement like "Stop investing in Bing and we'll stop investing in GSuite."

We've been through a long period of stagnation from big tech companies, often blamed on cultural problems in a maturing industry. What if the real story is a level of cartelisation far beyond anything revealed so far?

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

#102

Post by userinanother »

FpUser wrote: post #86
zx8080 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? What government would kill the goose that lays golden eggs? They pay tax. Buyers pay tax. Huge amount (but not that much as I expected [0]). What else is needed? 0 - https://www.investopedia.com/insights/amazon-effect-us-econo...

Where did I hear that - "We are a nation of laws"?

We have lots of laws unequal enforcement is a different matter

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by Terretta »

echelon wrote: post #13

> In contrast, product pages for Apple competitors like Samsung are riddled with ads from competitors, recommendations, and other sponsored banners. Insider says that other companies, including Samsung, have complained about the preferential treatment given to Apple. You shouldn't be allowed to place ads against another company's product listings or trademarked brands. You shouldn't be able to pay Google to advertise…

If there's a car show on NBC about Mercedes, you're saying BMW can't advertise in the commercial break?

If there's a product page on Amazon about Samsung, you're saying Motorola can't advertise below the fold?

Search terms feel like a different thing. TV Guide search for Mercedes, land on a show about BMW? No. Google search for Samsung, Motorola is top result? No.

PS. Use kagi.com and it's not a problem.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

#104

Post by edgan »

addicted wrote: post #75

I returned my unopened Apple Watch to Amazon. Getting my money back has been a massive pain. Usually Amazon literally returns the money when the delivery person picks up the item from my doorstep. But with this Amazon required a scheduled pickup with UPS, did not acknowledge receiving the item even though UPS showed it as received and a few weeks later they are still asking me to wait for 1 month before contacting th…

This seems to be their new MO on any high dollar return.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

#107

Post by ryanjshaw »

spott wrote: post #82
addicted wrote: post #75

I returned my unopened Apple Watch to Amazon. Getting my money back has been a massive pain. Usually Amazon literally returns the money when the delivery person picks up the item from my doorstep. But with this Amazon required a scheduled pickup with UPS, did not acknowledge receiving the item even though UPS showed it as received and a few weeks later they are still asking me to wait for 1 month before contacting th…

I think it is likely that they are trying to see if the watch you returned was counterfeit before they refunded you. This is probably a difficult process as the counterfeits of Apple products have gotten really good. When you pushed them, they bumped yours to the front of the line.

Why would determining the counterfeit status of the returned item delay the refund process?

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by lovepronmostly »

scarface_74 wrote: post #45
paxys wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is primarily about counterfeiting, which is illegal regardless of the companies involved and the deals between them. Samsung has an Amazon store, and other companies bid for ad spots shown right on the official store page which link to illegal knockoffs of Samsung products. Samsung complains, and Amazon says "sorry we can't help it, that's just how things work". Then Apple comes along, and Amazon magically…

Apple doesn’t have an exclusive agreement with Amazon for online sales. I agree though bidding on a trademark where you can advertise as a competitor when someone explicitly searches for a brand should be considered copyright infringement. It’s definitely a horrible user experience - Apple, Google, and Amazon all do it

Apple does it in the app store. At least for me, search for any app by name, the top 1 or 2 results is never the app who's name I typed in exactly.

Just searched for "Netflix". First result is some app called "Chewy" (with [ad]) next to it. Search for "GitHub". First result is some app called "ServerCat". Search for "Grand Theft Auto". First result is some app call "One State RP". Search for "23andMe". First result is for "BodyFast: ..."

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by bhelkey »

Terretta wrote: post #103
echelon wrote: post #13

> In contrast, product pages for Apple competitors like Samsung are riddled with ads from competitors, recommendations, and other sponsored banners. Insider says that other companies, including Samsung, have complained about the preferential treatment given to Apple. You shouldn't be allowed to place ads against another company's product listings or trademarked brands. You shouldn't be able to pay Google to advertise…

If there's a car show on NBC about Mercedes, you're saying BMW can't advertise in the commercial break? If there's a product page on Amazon about Samsung, you're saying Motorola can't advertise below the fold? Search terms feel like a different thing. TV Guide search for Mercedes, land on a show about BMW? No. Google search for Samsung, Motorola is top result? No. PS. Use kagi.com and it's not a problem.

> Search terms feel like a different thing.

Unless I'm mistaken, this discussion is about search ads. The situation was that users searched for Apple products and were shown counterfeit competitors.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by rtpg »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #107
spott wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is likely that they are trying to see if the watch you returned was counterfeit before they refunded you. This is probably a difficult process as the counterfeits of Apple products have gotten really good. When you pushed them, they bumped yours to the front of the line.

Why would determining the counterfeit status of the returned item delay the refund process?

Because they don’t want to give you money for a counterfeit, then have you disappear?
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