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System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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I'll say the same thing I always say when System76 hardware is posted here. A 1080p screen should be a non-starter in 2023. How they are still selling these with low DPI screens doesn't make sense to me.

What's the advantage of more than 1080p on a 13-14" screen? Genuine question.

I have 4k for my desktop but that's a 27" monitor.

Wouldn't pushing 4k on a laptop reduce the battery life even more?

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible that there is no dual channel, so the laptop would not take a performance hit due to mismatched sticks. I can not tell the configuration of the slots from their specs page [0]. Their configuration page [1] confirms that it's 8GB+32GB to get the 40GB. Why wouldn't they just offer 2x16GB to get the dual-channel memory? Unless, of course, the laptop does not support dual-channel memory... -- [0]: https://s…

Most likely the motherboard has 8GB soldered on, they do that with a lot of laptops these days unfortunately.

This is my guess too. It's a very weird design decision, especially for a developer targeted laptop. I would probably be less unhappy with a 16 GB RAM chip soldered, but than an 8 GB one.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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It’s a nice computer but calling it “repairable” is a farce, and System76’s customer support is unfortunately woefully inadequate. I have one of these and spilled a drink on my keyboard, getting it replaced was $300 of parts and labor, but the worst thing was it took almost 2 months pressuring their support reps to actually complete the process and they would frequently just not respond to messages, or ignore informa…

That's unfortunate. I got a Lemu4 (Lemur Ultra) back in 2012 and one of the biggest reasons I went with them as opposed to a Dell or another laptop considered to run Linux well was because their support staff were well-trained and quick to respond (usually replied to my support messages same-day and their phone support consistently had That said, I never had to send my laptop off to them, as they were more than happy to send replacement parts to me when the fan bearings failed. They even sent me an optical drive caddy for free well after I had purchased the device (there was no hardware fault, I just wanted to install another drive and they didn't sell the caddy as a standalone part).

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Given my experience with System76 laptops, I know they can make a good impression at first, but after seeing how flimsy they are in long-term use, I can't justify the markup. You can get a better sturdier laptop with good Linux compatibility cheaper elsewhere.

My anecdata is that I used a galp6 since 2013 as a daily driver for years. It stayed in service in one way or another for ten years. The battery became useless but everything else was rock solid.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

#105

I'll say the same thing I always say when System76 hardware is posted here. A 1080p screen should be a non-starter in 2023. How they are still selling these with low DPI screens doesn't make sense to me.

I am quite happy with the 1080p resolution on 13/14". Fonts are crisp, colors are great. Black is black. I don't see any pixels.

Also, battery life is great. I don't need to do any xrandr/crazy ENV configs for high DPI guis/etc.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

#106

I'll say the same thing I always say when System76 hardware is posted here. A 1080p screen should be a non-starter in 2023. How they are still selling these with low DPI screens doesn't make sense to me.

1080 @ 14" is above 96 so it's high DPI, but it's not "High DPI / HiDPI", terms that imply comfortable 2x scaling.

I spent $150 on my last 1080 14", and the panel is phenomenal.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

#107
System76 is doing us all a favor by showing what a Macbook could be if it were actually "Pro". Do a spec for price comparison and System76 is blowing them out of the water.

* More cores on wider supported chips

* Nvidia Graphics cards that are far better supported for machine learning than the M1, M2, M3 series (as i understand, it's not my specialty)

* Discrete memory instead of unified

* Market similar prices to storage upgrades (eg $200 for .5 -> 2TB instead of $600

Ok a couple cons -- $190 for an extra charger is a bit much, but likely due to 330w vs 140w. Also pointing out power draw is much higher.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

#108
post #101

I'll say the same thing I always say when System76 hardware is posted here. A 1080p screen should be a non-starter in 2023. How they are still selling these with low DPI screens doesn't make sense to me.

What's the advantage of more than 1080p on a 13-14" screen? Genuine question. I have 4k for my desktop but that's a 27" monitor. Wouldn't pushing 4k on a laptop reduce the battery life even more?

The advantage is crisper text. My eyes aren’t the best but I can see the difference on my 3.5K 13-inch display.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

#109
post #67

Figure I might as well drop a quick review after 2 years with the lemur pro 11 Pros: * Most things "just work", which you only appreciate after working with other linux laptops. For example, I can seamlessly plug this laptop in place of my work macbook with just one usb-c cable. That being said I think things have generally gotten better in the space so this may not be as much of a selling point anymore. Additionally…

Agree, battery life is atrocious. I get typically get 1.5-2 hours on a charge, after 2.5 years of ownership. I always have anxiety about plugging it in. It's the biggest problem with this machine. Other than that, I have been very happy with it. Keyboard, trackpad, screen - all adequate for me. In every way other than the battery, it pretty much gets out of the way and gets the job done.

Wow, I'm surprised to hear this about the battery from you guys, as that appears to be one of their top selling points: "Most battery life!"

I see that the article describes it as repairable, but is it really easy to get and put in a new battery? I don't see them for sale on system76.com/components

I almost bought one of these in late 2021 when I was in the market for a new Linux machine. They were one of the few manufacturers that actually had stuff ready to ship. But I wasn't interested in PopOS and Framework seemed to be offering a slightly better deal, so I ended up waiting a month for a Framework DIY edition. I've been happy with it despite Framework not being truly Linux-first.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

#110
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, battery life is atrocious. I get typically get 1.5-2 hours on a charge, after 2.5 years of ownership. I always have anxiety about plugging it in. It's the biggest problem with this machine. Other than that, I have been very happy with it. Keyboard, trackpad, screen - all adequate for me. In every way other than the battery, it pretty much gets out of the way and gets the job done.

After about 2 years my battery also lost a lot of it's charge-retention, but I replaced it and got back up to the >11 hours I was seeing before

I'm planning to send it in to them this week for some repairs (USB-C port stopped working, replace the rubber feet, and replace the battery). I have to pay for the battery replacement (~$100 I think). Hopefully it improves the battery life. IIRC, I was getting 4-5 hours when I first got the machine. Never got anywhere close to 11. Maybe it's how I'm using it.
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