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Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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> corporate ownership of the political process has usurped the actual function of government responsible to the poorest people This is a curious diagnosis of a late 40s law. Consider why average Americans, including those in the lowest rung, vote against pro-union legislation (or don’t turn out for it), as well as the difference between Swedish and American unions.

They didn't vote for it, or against it. In most countries, citizens don't get to vote on individual laws. We vote people into power, who then hopefully don't enact laws that harm us. But as we all know by now, that's never stopped a politician.

> didn't vote for it, or against it

Outside urban centres and select belts of the country, unions poll poorly. A candidate running on pro-union credentials will perform the same as, or underperform, one who is neutral on the issue. Ignoring the trust deficit American unions have with the public is partly why this situation isn’t changing.

> citizens don't get to vote on individual laws

Most American states have referenda. Even in deep blue states, like New York and California, it’s typically a struggle to get pro-union ballot measures through.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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The company control their private property. The labour can only control their own labour, so they choose to use that control. How is that not in their right?

I totally agree, they all have the right to not work there, but they don't really have a right to prevent others from delivering packages to a building.

Nobody is preventing that. Other workers _voluntarily_ refuse to provide their services to Tesla.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Also they forget that on average they are pretty benign. At least in my field they ask for quite tame things. And them being same union for everyone means that you don't really lose much to competitors. As they will have same rules in place...

Good point. Sweden has better institutions and labor laws to reduce friction and enable cooperation. Enterprise bargaining in the US is more zero sum game between companies and workers. Everything you give to workers, reduces competitive edge against non-union competitors. It's in company interest to fight unions as much as possible. In sectoral bargaining , unions negotiate same deal with their counterparts represen…

> In sectoral bargaining, unions negotiate same deal with their counterparts representing corporations. When nobody gets competitive edge over others, there is less downside for agreeing.

That's assuming the company/industry doesn't have competitors in other countries.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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I understand the feeling of Aborsy; in another European country (France) Unions are a non-elected political force that seizes power by force in a factory / company. Once they have established their power, they do anything they can to impose their law on other workers and collect money from both the owners, and the other employees. And to be considered part of the group, you have to pay an annual membership to them in…

I pay a couple dollars a year in Sweden and my union offers unemployment insurance, 80% of my salary for six months if I’m laid off. I’m okay with that annual membership if that was all I got :)

On top of government unemployment benefits? That is incredibly generous!

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Maybe because so many comments in this thread are pre-emptive “let me explain this in terms that Americans can understand”.

I shouldn't have to tell you this but the world doesn't revolve around the United States :)

I wonder what it feels like in general to read all of that from Australia or NZ or other western places that are not mentioned first. It's always US, US vs Europe or North America vs Europe and so on

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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I'd say corporations and their wealthy owners, far more than any other factor, are responsible for the anti-union sentiment in the US.

I feel like this is a very convenient scapegoat for American unions to avoid looking internally at their own flaws. Many Americans have negative opinions of unions. Corporations and their wealthy owners have certainly put a lot of money to influence public opinion this way, but they aren't omnipotent. These efforts would be laughable off if the value-add of the union was readily-apparent. Dismissing anyone's negative…

I was talking about the predominant contributing factor to anti-union sentiment in the US, not that there aren't legitimate gripes against unions.

When looking at the vast amount of energy and resources dedicated by the wealthy and by corporations over the last hundred years to crush unions in the US, the government going so far as to murder strikers and violently oppose them on behalf of those interests, legislation like the Taft-Hartley act, etc etc. -- it seems clear to me that forces external and opposed to the unions are far more influential in the erosion of those unions than legitimate internal gripes by union members.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Tesla built factory in Germany and hired thousands of workers while Volvo build new EX40 car completely in China. Just saying.

You mean the factory currently being investigated by authorities for an abysmal safety record and incredibly high number of work accidents?

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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In Finland, we’re celebrating the Wolt founders for paying so much taxes. At The sametime their platform has significantly disrupted traditional labor structures. The core innovation seems to lie in navigating around established labor laws and union regulations.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Collectivism vs rugged individualism and exceptionalism with a serving of low empathy self interest institutionalized.

Sure. I’m just saying that we can’t throw the brainwashed/corporate corruption card at everything we don’t like.

True, not everything, but the valid challenges (citizens united, excessive spending in politics, and low information/unsophisticated economic participants).

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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They didn't vote for it, or against it. In most countries, citizens don't get to vote on individual laws. We vote people into power, who then hopefully don't enact laws that harm us. But as we all know by now, that's never stopped a politician.

> didn't vote for it, or against it Outside urban centres and select belts of the country, unions poll poorly. A candidate running on pro-union credentials will perform the same as, or underperform, one who is neutral on the issue. Ignoring the trust deficit American unions have with the public is partly why this situation isn’t changing. > citizens don't get to vote on individual laws Most American states have refer…

Police/firefighter unions seem to do pretty well, regardless of location.
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