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Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #98
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one do not wish to give America's enemies access to all of our classified information.

For that it's too late. The docetns are at British The Guardian and German Der Spiegel and the person extracting those initially sits in Russia and who knows who got copies or extracted them.

> Russian parliament’s defense and security committee publicly conceded that “Snowden did share intelligence” with his government.

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hpsci_snowden_r...

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by hax0ron3 »

subjectsigma wrote: post #100
hax0ron3 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as what? And is it worth the downsides of mass surveillance?

You can read their website and find out, they address some things you mentioned in the first few lines: https://www.nsa.gov/Cybersecurity/Overview/ Whether or not that justifies mass surveillance is a different question. I don’t think so. The NSA is a really, really big place. You could work there for a lifetime and not engage in illegal surveillance. I think getting rid of the bad parts shouldn’t require us to get r…

Yep, I agree with that last sentence. The only thing on that list that I think has to do with a significant national security threat is the nuclear command and control systems part. And we could have that without the mass surveillance.

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by wubrr »

jasmes wrote: post #8

Journalistic integrity balancing with the national security interests of the most powerful nation on the planet is complicated. I am comfortable trusting the NYT to do their job. I hope that eventually all the technical papers eventually are available out of nerdy curiosity, but I’d prefer that be through declassification and not espionage.

You're basically just saying that you're okay with CIA/NSA doing whatever they want and manipulating public opinion however they want without any accountability whatsoever.

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by [deleted] »

logifail wrote: post #84
garciasn wrote: post #6

> Why was only 1% of the documents published, in the end? “The documents are not like the WikiLeaks ones from the US state department, which were written by diplomats and, for the most part, easily understandable,” said Ewen MacAskill. “The Snowden files are largely technical, with lots of codewords and jargon that is hard to decipher. There are pages and pages of that which the public would not be interested in. The…

> Snowden knew this when he leaked the documents and he now resides, ironically, in one of the most surveilled countries in the world Just to put the end of that sentence in context: "Privacy International's 2007 survey, covering 47 countries, indicated that there had been an increase in surveillance and a decline in the performance of privacy safeguards, compared to the previous year. Balancing these factors, eight…

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Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

riversflow wrote: post #71
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> national security interests of the most powerful nation on the planet is complicated It's actually the opposite National security of least powerfull countries, like Korea, is most complicated. They are most at risk and least likely to harm others. The most powerfull nation on earth is the opposite, it is not really in danger, its very secure, and presents the most danger to others - whether through ignorance or stu…

The bigger you are, the farther you have to fall. The most powerful nation on earth also has the most to lose.

The richer you are, the more you habe to lose. Thats why welfare state should take care of the richest people first

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by wubrr »

aestetix wrote: post #9

> “The Snowden files are largely technical, with lots of codewords and jargon that is hard to decipher. There are pages and pages of that which the public would not be interested in. There are also documents that relate to operational matters. Snowden said from the start he wanted us to report on issues related to mass surveillance, not operational matters. So we stuck to that.” Sorry, was the point of these revelati…

It's essentially impossible to bring and win a lawsuit against NSA, because they can claim everything is classified.

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by wubrr »

subjectsigma wrote: post #100
hax0ron3 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as what? And is it worth the downsides of mass surveillance?

You can read their website and find out, they address some things you mentioned in the first few lines: https://www.nsa.gov/Cybersecurity/Overview/ Whether or not that justifies mass surveillance is a different question. I don’t think so. The NSA is a really, really big place. You could work there for a lifetime and not engage in illegal surveillance. I think getting rid of the bad parts shouldn’t require us to get r…

One of the big Snowden revelations was that NSA can literally do whatever they want without needing any kind of government or public approval. There is zero transparency and accountability.

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by riversflow »

schoen wrote: post #75
riversflow wrote: post #62

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Huh. I completely agree with this justification for spying, to the point I would be upset if they weren’t spying in this way. To me spy craft is where personal ethics become less important than realpolitik. The most powerful country in the world should have an inside track on whats going on in important markets, by hook or by crook. That’s the governments job. On what grounds does Petrobras have any right to privacy…

Huh, I have a radically different intuition from you. :-) I think "personal ethics" applies to everything and everyone in the world. The people who do things are moral agents. > On what grounds does Petrobras have any right to privacy from the USG? Among other things, their confidentiality is protected by Brazilian law. If hackers break that law, Petrobras should be entitled to a remedy against them, just like Americ…

This just seems incredibly idealistic to me.

Brazilian law isn't US law, if Brazil wants to it can try and arrest spies I guess. That's all there is to it.

> I think "personal ethics" applies to everything and everyone in the world.

I think that spies have the moral agency to gather and report information in order to better promote the welfare of their countrymen.

> I think they should be incentivized to do so much less

How? That's an impossible task in my book, and the main reason I think that spies are ethically just is because it's the nature of the beast. If you figure out a good way to do this, might I suggest focusing your efforts on de-militarization instead of de-espionage? The people with bombs and tanks are the one's who do the most damage.

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by duxup »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #26
duxup wrote: post #22

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>How did it come to this? Because leaks can have consequences and it's not clear to the NYT exactly what those might be? It's a tough situation because the government may not be a trusted partner, but I understand asking / trying to avoid collateral damage.

> Because leaks can have consequences and it's not clear to the NYT exactly what those might be? With this, the NYT has decided that they want to be a government propaganda organ instead of a journalistic organ.

I don't think that's what it means.

It's not an all or nothing deal.

Re: Why only 1% of the Snowden Archive will ever be published

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Post by believecty »

nemothekid wrote: post #39
believecty wrote: post #25

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