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Re: New models and developer products

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post #71

Every day this video ages more and more poorly [1]. categories of startups that will be affected by these launches: - vectorDB startups -> don't need embeddings anymore - file processing startups -> don't need to process files anymore - fine tuning startups -> can fine tune directly from the platform now, with GPT4 fine tuning coming - cost reduction startups -> they literally lowered prices and increased rate limits…

Startups built around actual AI tools, like if one formed around automatic1111 or oogabooga, would be unaffected, but because so much VC money went to the wrong places in this space, a whole lot of people are about to be burned hard.

damn hahaha it's oobabooga not oogabooga

Re: New models and developer products

#103
> We’re also launching a feature to return the log probabilities for the most likely output tokens generated by GPT-4 Turbo and GPT-3.5 Turbo in the next few weeks, which will be useful for building features such as autocomplete in a search experience.

This is very surprising to me. Are they not worried about people not just training on GPT-4 outputs to steal the model capabilities, but doing full blown logit knowledge-distillation? (Which is the reason everyone assumed that they disabled logit access in the first place.)

Re: New models and developer products

#104
post #89
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rumours on x are that it will be available 1pm san francisco time

> We’ll begin rolling out new features to OpenAI customers starting at 1pm PT today. ^ It says exactly this in the linked article.

oh, totally overread this :D

Re: New models and developer products

#105
You can now [1] pay from $2 to $3 million to pretrain custom gpt-n model. This has gone unnoticed but seems really neat. Provided that a start-up has enough money spend on that, it would certainly give competitive advantage.

[1] https://openai.com/form/custom-models

Edit: forgot to put the link

Re: New models and developer products

#106
While this makes some of what my startup https://flowch.ai does a commodity (file uploads and embeddings based queries are an example, but we'll see how well they do it - chunking and querying with RAG isn't easy to do well), the lower prices of models make my overall platform way better value, so I'd say overall it's a big positive.

Speaking more generally, there's always room for multiple players, especially in specific niches.

Re: New models and developer products

#107

Most of the products announced (and the price cuts) appear to be more about increasing lock-in to the OpenAI API platform, which is not surprising given increased competition in the space. The GPTs/GPT Agents and Assistants demos in particular showed that they are a black box within a black box within a black box that you can't port anywhere else. I'm mixed on the presentation and will need to read the fine print on…

I don't understand the lock-in argument here. Yes, if a competitor comes in there will be switching cost as everything is re-learned. However, from a code perspective, it is a function of the key and a relatively small API. New regulations outstanding, what is stoping someone from moving from OpenAI to Anthropic (for example) other than the cost of learning how to effectively utilize Anthropic for your use case? Open…

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Re: New models and developer products

#108
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mistral + 2 weeks of work from the community. Not as good, but private and free. It will trail OpenAI by 6-12 months in capabilities.

OpenAI offering 128k context is very appealing, however. I tried some Mistral variants with larger context windows, and had very poor results… the model would often offer either an empty completion or a nonsensical completion, even though the content fit comfortably within the context window, and I was placing a direct question either at the beginning or end, and either with or without an explanation of the task and…

Comparing a 7B parameter model to a 1.8T parameter model is kind of silly. Of course it's behind on accuracy, but it also takes 1% of the resources.

Re: New models and developer products

#110
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to be a start-up using AI, you have to be in another industry with access to data and a market that OpenAI/MS/Google can't or won't touch. Otherwise you end up eaten like above.

We just launched our AI-based API-Testing tool ( https://ai.stepci.com ), despite having competitors like GitHub Co-Pilot. Why? Because they lack specificity. We're domain experts, we know how to prompt it correctly to get the best results for a given domain. The moat is having model do one task extremely well rather than do 100 things "alright"

If you just launched it is too soon to speak.
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