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How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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It's not just India or Bangladesh. Lots of brands sold in the US are tainted with lead: https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2016/08/six-brands-of-turmeri... There are tests you can do at home, like leaving the powder in water and seeing if it leaves a yellow streak separate to the powder.

India is the world’s bigger producer of turmeric and many other spices after all. Won’t be surprising that these batches originated in India and were made using adulterated rhizomes.

Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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post #31

Close their business, put them in jail.

In India, it is usually small-time tradesmen that are involved in the act of adulteration, and any action is likely to be considered as an attack on small businesses.

I don't really care what it's being considered as. They poison people for profit. Atrocious, it's essentially long term mass murder including children.

Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

#103

Sad that corporates have processed this product so much, it comes from ancient Ayurvedic scriptures as medicinal.

The lead isn't a normal part of processing. It's added by unscrupulous vendors and individuals to make turmeric look more potent.

Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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What does ingesting mercury or lead fight against? While I understand modern medicine does sometimes use things that are toxic, it usually in net fixes what was needed. What does lead and mercury help with when eaten?

> What does ingesting mercury or lead fight against? This is a question for those who are experts in the field of Rasa Shastra .[1][2] Just like questions regarding which poisons/toxins are injected into the human body as treatment, why , and for which illness are questions for experts in the appropriate specializations of modern medicine. [1] A Text Book Of Rasa Shastra(Iatro-Chemistry And Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics) (…

I'm struggling to find in your post which specific conditions it treats, and what the pharmacology / mechanism of action is. Could you post those, please? If you need to consult your sources to answer (I assume you already read what you yourself linked, to confirm it answers the question), or ask an Ayurveda "expert" to answer, go ahead. As it stands now, it doesn't seem there are any legit usages.

> Ayurveda is based on the evidence of its times

So is globocentrism, but humans have learned since then, and moved onto more evidence based science. Science which was based on what we used to think was evidence, but no longer has evidence, is not evidence based science.

Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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post #98

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> What does ingesting mercury or lead fight against? This is a question for those who are experts in the field of Rasa Shastra .[1][2] Just like questions regarding which poisons/toxins are injected into the human body as treatment, why , and for which illness are questions for experts in the appropriate specializations of modern medicine. [1] A Text Book Of Rasa Shastra(Iatro-Chemistry And Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics) (…

No I don't think it is the same. It easily comes to mind that most treatments of radiation while toxic to the body are used to kill types of cancer. If you are going to say this practice of eating lead and mercury for medicinal purposes is useful, I would think there would be at least a use that comes to mind that you could share instead of books. I don't think most traditional medicine practices are very useful. Sim…

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Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I don't think it is the same. It easily comes to mind that most treatments of radiation while toxic to the body are used to kill types of cancer. If you are going to say this practice of eating lead and mercury for medicinal purposes is useful, I would think there would be at least a use that comes to mind that you could share instead of books. I don't think most traditional medicine practices are very useful. Sim…

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> propaganda that Ayurveda is a pseudoscience has been so successfully drilled into me over the decades that I have never been to an Ayurvedic doctor nor do I know of anyone who has.

The propaganda/evil conspiracy angle is unconvincing here. More likely it's not propaganda, but facts and science, and it replaced centuries-old science because it is better and more accurate.

For example, do you also believe there is 'propaganda that geocentrism is a pseudoscience, so successfully drilled into people over the decades that they have never been to a geocentric astronomer, nor do they know of anyone who has"?

Or maybe we just improved our science a bit in the last several hundred years?

Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does ingesting mercury or lead fight against? This is a question for those who are experts in the field of Rasa Shastra .[1][2] Just like questions regarding which poisons/toxins are injected into the human body as treatment, why , and for which illness are questions for experts in the appropriate specializations of modern medicine. [1] A Text Book Of Rasa Shastra(Iatro-Chemistry And Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics) (…

I'm struggling to find in your post which specific conditions it treats, and what the pharmacology / mechanism of action is. Could you post those, please? If you need to consult your sources to answer (I assume you already read what you yourself linked, to confirm it answers the question) , or ask an Ayurveda "expert" to answer, go ahead. As it stands now, it doesn't seem there are any legit usages. > Ayurveda is bas…

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Re: How to stop adulterated turmeric from killing people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm struggling to find in your post which specific conditions it treats, and what the pharmacology / mechanism of action is. Could you post those, please? If you need to consult your sources to answer (I assume you already read what you yourself linked, to confirm it answers the question) , or ask an Ayurveda "expert" to answer, go ahead. As it stands now, it doesn't seem there are any legit usages. > Ayurveda is bas…

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You're the one trying to make the case that eating lead is a good cure for a subset of ailments, so read it yourself and answer here what a couple of those ailments are, and how the lead helps (if you can be bothered to read your own source). We can then verify from reliable sources whether the claims and evidence you provide are reliable.

Non-medical professionals can describe the mechanism of action for radiation therapy. Non-professional ayurvedic advocates should at least know how eating lead helps cure the ailments it claims to.

> many governments in the Indian subcontinent and a lot of people in the subcontinent believe that there are [medical applications for eating lead]

Many people (and governments) believe in invisible sky magicians, but their belief isn't science, and doesn't make it true. Indeed, subscribing to a belief simply because it's old and because a subset of others do, too, is more a hallmark of religion than science.

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