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Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by ericlewis »

tgv wrote: post #78
pricci wrote: post #13

> The lemmings supposedly committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. I guess the 50s where different times

City boy or girl? Me too, but I had some relatives with a farm, and some (quite a few, it would seem) farmers see animals as property and you can do to them whatever you want. If you need to cut their tail or their testicles for profit, you do it. Kill them? Sure. Put kittens in a bag with a few stones and throw them in a pond? Of course. And that's not looking at the industrial scale at which animals are mutilated f…

I was with you on the first and second on, food and population control - sure. But murdering kittens for no apparent reason?

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#102

Post by felurx »

pastrami_panda wrote: post #62

I was hiking a summer when there was a 'lemming year'. You saw thousands of tiny carcasses strewn everywhere during that week, you accidently stepped on them as they ran under your hiking boots mid-step, if you sat down off trail they would start running up to you and attack. It was very surreal, they are very cute but also very fierce. Seeing a lemming run up to you and stand up on its hind legs and produce a high p…

The comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38109510 has very similar content and is a few hours older than this one. Did you post the same thing under two usernames or something?

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#103

Post by dfxm12 »

ericlewis wrote: post #101
tgv wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

City boy or girl? Me too, but I had some relatives with a farm, and some (quite a few, it would seem) farmers see animals as property and you can do to them whatever you want. If you need to cut their tail or their testicles for profit, you do it. Kill them? Sure. Put kittens in a bag with a few stones and throw them in a pond? Of course. And that's not looking at the industrial scale at which animals are mutilated f…

I was with you on the first and second on, food and population control - sure. But murdering kittens for no apparent reason?

Nothing justifies murdering kittens. Not even Doom music.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#104

Post by Fripplebubby »

ericlewis wrote: post #101
tgv wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

City boy or girl? Me too, but I had some relatives with a farm, and some (quite a few, it would seem) farmers see animals as property and you can do to them whatever you want. If you need to cut their tail or their testicles for profit, you do it. Kill them? Sure. Put kittens in a bag with a few stones and throw them in a pond? Of course. And that's not looking at the industrial scale at which animals are mutilated f…

I was with you on the first and second on, food and population control - sure. But murdering kittens for no apparent reason?

The apparent reason is that you don't want to be saddled with their care and wish to be rid of them.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#105

Post by pastrami_panda »

felurx wrote: post #102
pastrami_panda wrote: post #62

I was hiking a summer when there was a 'lemming year'. You saw thousands of tiny carcasses strewn everywhere during that week, you accidently stepped on them as they ran under your hiking boots mid-step, if you sat down off trail they would start running up to you and attack. It was very surreal, they are very cute but also very fierce. Seeing a lemming run up to you and stand up on its hind legs and produce a high p…

The comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38109510 has very similar content and is a few hours older than this one. Did you post the same thing under two usernames or something?

I didn't see it, but everyone who has hiked during a lemming year has these types of stories about these crazy animals

Edit: I read the comment you linked, the reason we have such similar language is because Swedes and Norwegians call it the same thing and I guess both of us were unsure if 'lemming year' is a widespread term :)

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by Verdex »

felurx wrote: post #102
pastrami_panda wrote: post #62

I was hiking a summer when there was a 'lemming year'. You saw thousands of tiny carcasses strewn everywhere during that week, you accidently stepped on them as they ran under your hiking boots mid-step, if you sat down off trail they would start running up to you and attack. It was very surreal, they are very cute but also very fierce. Seeing a lemming run up to you and stand up on its hind legs and produce a high p…

The comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38109510 has very similar content and is a few hours older than this one. Did you post the same thing under two usernames or something?

The writing styles seem sufficiently different to me. Also the accounts were both made years ago and years apart.

A much more likely and charitable interpretation of events is that 'lemming year' is an event that many people have experienced and the experience is sufficiently similar that you get accounts that sound the same.

I mean, if multiple people described christmas morning to me, my first thought wouldn't be that they're all in actuality the same person.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#107

Post by CivBase »

tgv wrote: post #78
pricci wrote: post #13

> The lemmings supposedly committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. I guess the 50s where different times

City boy or girl? Me too, but I had some relatives with a farm, and some (quite a few, it would seem) farmers see animals as property and you can do to them whatever you want. If you need to cut their tail or their testicles for profit, you do it. Kill them? Sure. Put kittens in a bag with a few stones and throw them in a pond? Of course. And that's not looking at the industrial scale at which animals are mutilated f…

I'm not sure where you are that "wild animals on my land are my property" is a popular sentiment, but it's certainly not in my neck of the woods.

Farmers here absolutely kill dangerous and nuisance animals, but it's because they are dangerous and/or pests. They also commonly hunt, both for resources and for sport. But it's definitely not acceptable to drown kittens. Anyone doing that here would be rightfully treated as a monster, regardless how rural your upbringing.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#108

Post by alteriority »

tshaddox wrote: post #8
mcpackieh wrote: post #2

It remains common practice for nature "documentaries" to create fake narratives in editing. Pay attention to cuts, camera angles and changes in background scenery and you'll notice quite a lot of it. If they're showing two animals in some sort of confrontation but only ever show one of the animals at a time, you can be sure it's fake. If they're showing something that has several camera angles it's probably fake, par…

The audio in nature documentaries is all fake too, right? I don’t know that I’ve ever heard this from a reliable source, but at some point years ago I got the idea in my head and now every time I’m watching on I’m convinced the vast majority of the sound effects are fake.

Yep! There was an episode of 99 Percent Invisible focusing on the sound design fakery in nature documentaries: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/sounds-natural/

Coincidentally, it also features the very lemming story that brought us here.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#109

Post by watwut »

tgv wrote: post #78
pricci wrote: post #13

> The lemmings supposedly committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. I guess the 50s where different times

City boy or girl? Me too, but I had some relatives with a farm, and some (quite a few, it would seem) farmers see animals as property and you can do to them whatever you want. If you need to cut their tail or their testicles for profit, you do it. Kill them? Sure. Put kittens in a bag with a few stones and throw them in a pond? Of course. And that's not looking at the industrial scale at which animals are mutilated f…

So, my older relatives with farm did actually took issue with useless animal cruelty. Killing it for food or something else necessary? Sure.

Throwing them off cliff for the purpose of entertainment? Huge judgement. And kids would get seriously spanked if they did that.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#110

Post by watwut »

Fripplebubby wrote: post #104
ericlewis wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was with you on the first and second on, food and population control - sure. But murdering kittens for no apparent reason?

The apparent reason is that you don't want to be saddled with their care and wish to be rid of them.

That is population control. Not the same as doing it because you want cool video.
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