I don't think it's the ads people need to be worried about. It's pages, groups and their "users" posts manipulating people. News flash: a majority aren't even real human users.
Why not both?
Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU
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lmao no, you're either misinformed or a bad actor. when they start tracking me through services they don't own, when they retain data on me indefinitely and purchase other data sources to do entity resolution, when they refuse to let me see what they have on me and refuse to let me set policies on what I'm comfortable with them having, when they partner with Walmart and CCTV providers to spy on me as I go throughout…
I have a hard time believing Facebook is tracking it's customers through CCTV. In any case even if they are I still don't care because they're not tracking me. Know why - it's easy, I just don't use Facebook. People who complain about Facebook collecting their information all the while continuing to use Facebook are not victims - they're just complainers. If stopping it is as simple as logging off forever and people…
Do you visit websites that have a "share on facebook" button? They're tracking you.
Talk to people who have downloaded Facebook or Instagram to their phones? They're tracking you.
Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you.
They're literally shameless stalkers who suck up as much data as possible through every possible avenue to do entity resolution to track individuals to the degree they possibly can.
This is mass, corporatized surveillance, and we shouldn't suffer it.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a hard time believing Facebook is tracking it's customers through CCTV. In any case even if they are I still don't care because they're not tracking me. Know why - it's easy, I just don't use Facebook. People who complain about Facebook collecting their information all the while continuing to use Facebook are not victims - they're just complainers. If stopping it is as simple as logging off forever and people…
Do you visit websites that have a "share on facebook" button? They're tracking you. Talk to people who have downloaded Facebook or Instagram to their phones? They're tracking you. Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you. They're literally shameless stalkers who suck up as much data as possible through every possible avenue to do…
>Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you
I would agree this is a big deal if it's true but I haven't seen evidence of it being true.
The rest of your arguments ignore the human choice aspect. Facebook didn't come pre-installed on my phone, I don't think it came pre-installed on anyone's.
At the end of the day using Facebook is a choice. Nobody has to have Facebook. I get by fine without it, without instagram, WhatsApp any of it. These are things people willigly choose to use and give their info to.
I think your arguments have weight only if their users are unaware of Facebook selling data to advertisers. You'd have to be living under a rock not to know that in 2023. I mean it's not just a choice it's an informed choice.
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lmao no, you're either misinformed or a bad actor. when they start tracking me through services they don't own, when they retain data on me indefinitely and purchase other data sources to do entity resolution, when they refuse to let me see what they have on me and refuse to let me set policies on what I'm comfortable with them having, when they partner with Walmart and CCTV providers to spy on me as I go throughout…
I have a hard time believing Facebook is tracking it's customers through CCTV. In any case even if they are I still don't care because they're not tracking me. Know why - it's easy, I just don't use Facebook. People who complain about Facebook collecting their information all the while continuing to use Facebook are not victims - they're just complainers. If stopping it is as simple as logging off forever and people…
That's not exactly true. Using tracking pixels and third-party scripts and cookies, it's simple to track you as a unique entity. No logon necessary.
A step further- associating this entity with your identity is trivial with access to additional information. For example, a tagged photo or contact info uploaded by the friend or family member who uses the same networks or devices you do.
Maybe you have yourself sufficiently shielded and have excellent OPSEC. Can you reasonably expect the same from everyone else? Does not having the expertise to be as savvy as you justify being exploited?
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Because living in the era of being psychologically manipulated from every direction for every second of our lives fucking sucks. Because they should show fewer ads that don't fuck with our heads and make less money in the process, and regulation hasn't caught up yet, and in the meantime they have an approximate monopoly so we have to deal with it. Because they stay in power not by doing the best job or providing the…
What makes a targeted ad the same as psychological manipulation?
Didn't say they were, but, like.... they are. Ads are fucking gross. I can't wait for the future where we almost entirely abolish them. Probably has to come after we stop worshipping the stock market, though.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you visit websites that have a "share on facebook" button? They're tracking you. Talk to people who have downloaded Facebook or Instagram to their phones? They're tracking you. Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you. They're literally shameless stalkers who suck up as much data as possible through every possible avenue to do…
>Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you I would agree this is a big deal if it's true but I haven't seen evidence of it being true. The rest of your arguments ignore the human choice aspect. Facebook didn't come pre-installed on my phone, I don't think it came pre-installed on anyone's. At the end of the day using Facebook is a…
I think you’re ignoring things like tracking through share buttons and tracking pixels on third-party sites, which make it impossible for people to block FB’s spying except through extraordinary technical means, and also that Meta has had automatic face and identity detection for photos for a long time.
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I have a hard time believing Facebook is tracking it's customers through CCTV. In any case even if they are I still don't care because they're not tracking me. Know why - it's easy, I just don't use Facebook. People who complain about Facebook collecting their information all the while continuing to use Facebook are not victims - they're just complainers. If stopping it is as simple as logging off forever and people…
That's not exactly true. Using tracking pixels and third-party scripts and cookies, it's simple to track you as a unique entity. No logon necessary. A step further- associating this entity with your identity is trivial with access to additional information. For example, a tagged photo or contact info uploaded by the friend or family member who uses the same networks or devices you do. Maybe you have yourself sufficie…
Well first if tracking and selling data on non-registered users really is that trivial then the issue isn't Facebook it's every website that could be doing this.
Second more importantly privacy seems to be a watchword for tech people. Maybe people claim to care about the sort of privacy you are talking about when asked but their actions speak different. People use Facebook, google maps, leave location data on on their phones. Obviously people don't value privacy as much as they do having access to certain tech. Sad but that's the world, privacy seems to be a thing of the past.
We can all opt out by not using these services. To the extent that we don't there must be some extent to which we accept and consent to this tracking.
I care because I'm afraid of my government and want to keep myself secure from them. I also realize that's not the average person. My preference for privacy means not using Facebook it doesn't mean I get to control how Facebook does business or how people choose to use it.
My view is that ultimately people have to be responsible for the tech that they use and how they use it. We can't just pass along that responsibility to government or business.
Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU
#109I don't think it's the ads people need to be worried about. It's pages, groups and their "users" posts manipulating people. News flash: a majority aren't even real human users.
Source that dissects this?
I always doubt anyone who sees 'bots' everywhere they go, but I agree with them on the groups part. https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitMomGroupsSay/ regularly has some good examples.
Ironically, I've posted there a couple of times in a way that (barely) went against their own groupthink and got downvoted like crazy.
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I love when ads mistarget me because I am then not tempted by them. I would much rather get my current untargeted swath of ads ranging from military contractors to industrial manufacturing supply chain equipment to bras for all sorts of body shapes to [checks random site] bulk supplies of the little adjustable knobs you put on the end of stool legs. I'm not tempted by any of those nor do I think about them after seeing them beyond a good chuckle like this. Now, if I were to be bombarded with ads for the new indy rougelike or rts or modular solar setup or self-mapping LED systems, those things would invade my thoughts and eventual actions. So, I block ads wherever I can and depersonalize them everywhere else.