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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

mjburgess wrote: post #13
Podgajski wrote: post #10

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Hi, I posted this study because I have Asperger’s and this is what was always said about my behavior. Yesterday I literally had to stop myself from sending photographs to the police of a guy walking his dog off leash in a park that has signs forbidding it. And my reason for wanting to call the police is because of my compassion for the dog or for anyone the dog to hurt. Not so much that it was only that the man was d…

It might be important to realise that signs and rules are made up by sign-makers and rule-makers; often to their benefit. Reality doesnt come with a rule about leashing dogs on grass. It feels like something is going wrong here in your connecting a dog being off a leash with somehow empathy for the dog. I read your impulse to act here as your mind being hijacked by the sign-maker to conscript you into their preferred…

> It feels like something is going wrong here in your connecting a dog being off a leash with somehow empathy for the dog.

If that dog bites someone it dies, how is that not empathetic?

dogs are typically required to be on leashes in parks and public areas for a reason.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

#102

Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

mjburgess wrote: post #90
Podgajski wrote: post #86

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You have not asked me once about what types of dogs they were or how the dogs were behaving. so I would say it’s you. That’s operating without any data and it’s just acting out of your imagination. But it’s irrelevant. Because you’re just thinking about people being in danger and not the dog being in danger or not if it is disturb the other animals that also have at the park like the squirrels in the birds. You’re on…

As I said, it's not really about the leash -- nor the sign. It's about people who deputise themselves in the service of these rules, and who imagine risk, and appoint themselves enforces of a social order of values that is insensitive to particulars. There are many things I dislike, take littering. I would find it very obnoxious for a person to litter in a park, and to ignore the signs against it. But I feel no compu…

Just stop, people want dogs leashed in public for safety. This isn't some social order of insensitive assholes, this is because people actually get maimed by dogs and it's easier to have a blanket rule that all dogs (or all animals) must be leashed.

There is no magical effect of some cadre of people trying to enforce some silliness onto the general public, there's a reason behind these laws.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

#104

Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

Podgajski wrote: post #85
mjburgess wrote: post #75

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Compassion is more dangerous than sociopathy. Sociopaths are transactional, and often follow the rules on a transactional basis. To conduct a genocide, one needs compassion. In the way people are here having fantasies of dangerous dogs biting children, likewise similar fantasies of danger abound -- compassion for imagined victims driving overwhelming oppression. I dont consider this morality, quite the opposite. Mora…

I would love to know how compassion was used to cause the holocaust. But I think I see. I think I see your mistaking compassion for the self as compassion for the other. It’s easy to cause a holocaust if you cause people to only have compassion for themselves or their own kind. It’s very hard to create a holocaust if you have a universal compassion for all humans. So your answer is “well let’s get rid of all compassi…

That's not at all what the poster said.

Water is good for you yet too much water will kill you. This is what the poster meant.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

phito wrote: post #61
scns wrote: post #48

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A few dogs are so aggressive that they bite people. Usually the owner is the problem.

You clearly don't understand how dogs function. The sweetest dog could bite someone if it is scared, startled, in pain, sick. They can be unpredictable and most people do not know how to read a dog's body language. I say that as someone who loves and has dogs.

Most dogs that don't mean harm won't actually break skin, for them it's a warning rather than violence.

This is not what people mean when they talk about people getting bitten by dogs.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

mtreis86 wrote: post #44
Podgajski wrote: post #10

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Hi, I posted this study because I have Asperger’s and this is what was always said about my behavior. Yesterday I literally had to stop myself from sending photographs to the police of a guy walking his dog off leash in a park that has signs forbidding it. And my reason for wanting to call the police is because of my compassion for the dog or for anyone the dog to hurt. Not so much that it was only that the man was d…

I've never had a loose dog try to attack me. Plenty of dogs on leashes have lunged tho. So I treat the leash status as a signal of how much the owner trusts the dog to behave.

I've never been shot, clearly shootings don't happen.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by omginternets »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #101
mjburgess wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be important to realise that signs and rules are made up by sign-makers and rule-makers; often to their benefit. Reality doesnt come with a rule about leashing dogs on grass. It feels like something is going wrong here in your connecting a dog being off a leash with somehow empathy for the dog. I read your impulse to act here as your mind being hijacked by the sign-maker to conscript you into their preferred…

> It feels like something is going wrong here in your connecting a dog being off a leash with somehow empathy for the dog. If that dog bites someone it dies, how is that not empathetic? dogs are typically required to be on leashes in parks and public areas for a reason.

There is such a thing as a well-behaved dog. I don't see the social benefit of enforcing every last little law on the books all the time.

I think laws (the kind we're talking about, anyway) are best seen as a tool for maintaining public order. If police encounter something dangerous or immediately disorderly, they can express their reasons for intervening in terms of laws. If you run open headers on your car and cause an actual disturbance, you can be cited. When that relationship between order and law is inverted, the result is cops nickle-and-diming the populace when there was no actual underlying problem.

The real application of law requires, you know ... nuance, discretion and situational awareness. That's the standard we should hold police to, not throwing every single page of the book at people all the time.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

#108

Post by anigbrowl »

mjburgess wrote: post #59
veeti wrote: post #50

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There are literally countless videos online of unleashed dogs attacking other dogs, animals, children and adults. Even if you think your precious Fifi would never do such a thing a leash keeps them safe and close to you in the event something happens or scares them off. For this reason using a leash is not only a recommendation on a sign but the law in many locales.

I don't have a dog, but i've known many and never a dangerous one. In the UK its very common to have large parks with dogs just running around; I'm not aware of any cases where this has caused a problem. I've no objection to the rule. My issue is with how the rule is being interpreted. If someone were to ask, 'please keep a leash on' i'd expect people to be polite enough to do so. But that's the gravity of the situat…

I don't have a dog

This largely disqualifies all your subsequent opinionation. I could tell you some stories about the ups and downs of owning/training large working dogs, but instead I'd urge you to reflect on whether your elaborate critique of abstraction is grounded in anything firmer than your assumptions.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

#109

Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

ralusek wrote: post #26
nyanmatt wrote: post #20

“With autism” A large portion of the autistic community is very against this phrasing. Autism is not a disease you carry, or something you “have”. It should be used as an adjective to describe a person: “Autistic people less likely to succumb to bystander effect” Edit: If you follow through to the actual paper referenced you can see they use the correct phrasing.

I'm a brown haired person. I'm also a person with brown hair. Neither phrasing makes my brown hair a disease I carry.

But are you an entity with Person or a Person with Entity?

If one cannot analyze words to w/i an inch of death, what is one to do on the internet other than speak in the 3rd person?

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

#110

Post by kylebenzle »

Podgajski wrote: post #10
Yoric wrote: post #7

Anecdotal evidence: around me, several kids are on the autistic spectrum. It's hard to prevent them from intervening when they notice what they feel is an injustice, towards them or others. At some point, this included one of them regularly attempting to rescue babies from baby trolleys, which they considered a prison. Fortunately, the would-be rescuer was only aged 3 at the time.

Hi, I posted this study because I have Asperger’s and this is what was always said about my behavior. Yesterday I literally had to stop myself from sending photographs to the police of a guy walking his dog off leash in a park that has signs forbidding it. And my reason for wanting to call the police is because of my compassion for the dog or for anyone the dog to hurt. Not so much that it was only that the man was d…

Ok, but we also have to accept that "empathy" is often misplaced, that's part of the issue I think.
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