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California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by jdross »

xyst wrote: post #81

TxDMV needs to follow this. Fuck these companies. They are testing their garbage in dense urban areas. Too many times their vehicles just stop in the middle of the road. If it rains, vehicle stops. If the light is out, vehicle panics and stops. Somebody puts a cone on the hood, vehicle panics. If a single variable not accounted for in their algorithms shifts beyond expected range, it fucking panics. So much money dum…

What if we do both? Cars should be safe everywhere, and cities should be very pedestrian and bike friendly.

Cars also don't only exist in dense cities. They're even used, among other things, to get people into and out of those cities

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by batch12 »

moneycantbuy wrote: post #99
wstrange wrote: post #71

Link to Cruise review of incident: https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-th...

Currently, the human driver responsible for the incident is still at large I welcome our robot overlords.

I'll resist - and so we have balance.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by starttoaster »

reset2023 wrote: post #69

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Besides what the other user pointed out, there are tens of millions of people driving an hour or more every day just to get to work, and that time sink might feel a bit more bearable if you could relax and do whatever you wanted during that time rather than focus on all the obstacles around you. I don't know that the state of self-driving vehicles will be quite there in my lifetime, but some time in the future they will be, if we keep making progress on them.

You might like driving. For many, driving is stressful.

This is besides the point someone else brought up about how notoriously bad at driving humans can be, and the capacity for how much safer an automated car could be when the tech is matured.

Public transit like efficient railroad infrastructure across the US would be even nicer, but I've about given up on that for the USA. They're doing self driving cars because we sunk too much money in roadway infrastructure (sunk cost fallacy.)

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by nvarsj »

I was in SF last month and saw a Cruise car get stuck in an intersection on Divisadero. I have no idea what it was trying to originally do, but it kept just going back and forwards perpendicular to the incoming traffic. After about 5-10 mins of that, it looked like someone took remote control and got it out of the intersection.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by eastbound »

carbocation wrote: post #79

This is just anecdote, but having taken trips in both Waymo and Cruise in SF, I feel very comfortable in Waymo: it drives carefully but confidently. It alerts me when cyclists are near when I'm getting out. It navigates coned-off work areas. Cruise required a lot of (remote) human intervention during my trips.

We were sold self-driving cars as safer than humans.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by starttoaster »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #83
tomschwiha wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who needs steam machines? Progress is always good IMO.

Progress can go in the wrong direction. Self-driving cars are an elitist attempt to avoid funding a far better solution: Trains.

Better railroads would be a far better solution. But I think getting there will take a lot of convincing in America. So much money has gone into road infrastructure that I have to imagine there's a lot of sunk cost fallacy at play.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by yegle »

eep_social wrote: post #82

But not Waymo. Which confirms all my personal biases. More seriously, the statement cites four specific clauses that caused the permit to be suspended. The second one seems really interesting as it implies that there was a lie of omission where the others are more or less what I’d expect regarding safety risks: > Today’s suspensions are based on the following: > 13 CCR §228.20 (b) (6) – Based upon the performance of…

> "The AV braked aggressively before impact and because it detected a collision, it attempted to pull over to avoid further safety issues," Cruise added. "When the AV tried to pull over, it continued before coming to a final stop, pulling the pedestrian forward. Our thoughts continue to be with the victim as we hope for a rapid and complete recovery."

This looks like Cruise's fault, dragging a pedestrian while pulling over for "safety"?

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by tschellenbach »

tschellenbach wrote: post #107

43k deaths per year due to human drivers. DMV should stop sticking their heads in the sand. https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state... .

Though maybe good to have a system where a human remote driver takes over in cases where it's confused?
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