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Just finished watching the Pantheon (2022) series about “uploaded intelligence” last week. Pretty ironic timing!
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I've never understood this. Even if we would have perfect mind-uploading capabilities, this doesn't help the billionaire who is afraid of death, right? It'd just be a copy of them. An immortal one, sure, but the original person would die just the same, no?
There's the philosophical argument that we have no continuity of consciousness in our meatbag bodies either - e.g. when you wake up, it's rebooting your consciousness from suspended memories.
Amazing, scary, and perhaps absurd, all at the same time!
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I've never understood this. Even if we would have perfect mind-uploading capabilities, this doesn't help the billionaire who is afraid of death, right? It'd just be a copy of them. An immortal one, sure, but the original person would die just the same, no?
Ship of Theseus
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I've never understood this. Even if we would have perfect mind-uploading capabilities, this doesn't help the billionaire who is afraid of death, right? It'd just be a copy of them. An immortal one, sure, but the original person would die just the same, no?
Ship of Theseus
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>Billionaires shouldn't exist; People want to own things even if they are not billionaires, and they want to value things freely even if they are not billionaires. Those two things combined make billionaires unavoidable if you think about it. I think what you really desire is that billionaires should not be able to corrupt society or exploit the environment to the detriment of others. Which I am fully behind and cons…
>Those two things combined make billionaires unavoidable if you think about it. What service, commodity, or neccessity one owns, one pays a billion for? Considering production is worker owned, there would be no necessity for billionaires. This is basically a statement on the concentration of wealth, and that theoretically no one should have 20 Billion more "moneys" then any other person, with the linked fact that thi…
Nobody has to actually pay a billion to make someone a billionaire.
If you and three of your friends create a website that someone wants to buy one percent of for 40 million dollars, you are all billionaires whether you want to sell or not.
It doesn't even matter if nobody else wants to buy the other 99% for the same price, in the eyes of the world you are a billionaire anyway.
Society doesn't create billionaires because they need to exist, they are a side-effect of other things that we desire to exist.
Any society that allows 1) ownership and 2) freedom will generate billionaires when it reaches a sufficient population.
It unfortunately sometimes also happens because 3) criminal activity, and we should of course do everything we can to prevent 3, but if we prevent 1 and 2 we've created a dystopia.
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But once they pay $$$ and turn on the uploaded consciousness won't they be like "Hey, why I'm still here in my meat body and not in Amazon Brain Cloud(c)"?
Daily backup with a final scan after death, if possible. Then your mind is booted into a simulation from your memories, instead of being booted into your pillow from your memories. Functionally not much different to waking up after loosing some time from being blackout drunk.
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Ship of Theseus
Afaik Ship of Theseus is replacing parts incrementally until eventually no part is from the original ship. This is more like taking the ship, building an exact copy of it and then throwing away the original ship. Not sure that thought experiment is applicable.
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>Those two things combined make billionaires unavoidable if you think about it. What service, commodity, or neccessity one owns, one pays a billion for? Considering production is worker owned, there would be no necessity for billionaires. This is basically a statement on the concentration of wealth, and that theoretically no one should have 20 Billion more "moneys" then any other person, with the linked fact that thi…
>What service, commodity, or neccessity one owns, one pays a billion for? Nobody has to actually pay a billion to make someone a billionaire. If you and three of your friends create a website that someone wants to buy one percent of for 40 million dollars, you are all billionaires whether you want to sell or not. It doesn't even matter if nobody else wants to buy the other 99% for the same price, in the eyes of the w…
A billion dollars.
We have a dystopia now with billionaires and their private space companies, buying newspapers, tracking our every move. We'd have LESS of a dystopia if we prevented them in the first place.
Surely you'd just want to copy how the neurons work enough to run them on normal silicon rather than dealing with wetware? Or has that hit a wall? Amazing, scary, and perhaps absurd, all at the same time!
But the nuts and bolts of how neural systems give rise to reasoning or even what consciousness is... we only know that neural systems are responsible for reasoning, and we don't even know definitively that neural systems cause consciousness. We only know that if you suppress their activity consciousness is retarded, and if you damage them enough consciousness is snuffed out.