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OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

srackey wrote: post #39
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occam's razor actually suggests the opposite to be. Tool AIs want to be agent AIs, after all. https://gwern.net/tool-ai

Sorry, you need to get off the internet if you think that the simplest explanation is that an AI singularity is right around the corner. Gwern, Bostrom, Yudkowski et. al. are terrific sci-fi writers, but I’d advise against taking them too seriously.

Never said anything about timelines, just about convergence. Your claim - pardon the eraser lines - was simply "[t]here’s a world where [tool AIs] are [of economic importance], but where they also don’t [become agent AIs of economic importance]". Just seems incorrect to me.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by ceejayoz »

zooq_ai wrote: post #98
ceejayoz wrote: post #92

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It would be a mistake to conflate being glad not to owe $250k in medical costs with loving the system that perpetuates bills of that nature in the first place.

That can be said of any product. If the system had given me a personal chef, I don't need to go to fancy restaurants

"I love the ambiance and social aspect of a fancy restaurant" wouldn't be implausible, even for someone with a private chef at their beck and call.

"I relish paying my health insurance bill" is a bit different.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by WorldMaker »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #64
TheRealPomax wrote: post #56

Given that it's still Sam Altman, and his core value are "we market towards what will make us money", not all that different. The term "AI" has run its course, initially pulling in capital left and right, and that's drying up now that open source can do what the big boys came up with, too. So: rename the work to AGI, start a new hype train, and get the capital streams flowing anew.

Could you qualify these two assertions: - AI investment is drying up - FOSS AI is competitive with proprietary providers From what I understand, AI grifting and investing has only just begun, and open source AI tools aren't on par with what Open AI is offering.

Given OpenAI dropped the "open" from their principles we don't really know how "on par" anything, much less open source, is with OpenAI anymore. OpenAI is just another closed ML provider and could be just as much smoke and mirrors as any other proprietary provider. OpenAI got a lot of first mover love that buoys their brand name, and it is nothing but a brand name now, but they stopped showing their work to the public and we don't know how much "OpenAI is more competitive than open source equivalents" is just more grift.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by riku_iki »

isk517 wrote: post #66
saltwatercowboy wrote: post #61

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Did I miss something? Since when is capital drying up in AI?

I think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI, the capital is still there it is just being spread around to a larger number of players than a few months ago when the boom began.

> I think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI

they couldn't chew through 10B from MSFT that fast?..

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by jshier »

reacharavindh wrote: post #49
jshier wrote: post #14

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1Blocker looks like the equivalent of unlock origin lite I use in Firefox except the darned thing is yet another subscription service. I wish I could get u lock origin on iOS and just make a one time donation/payment to the developer.

There are many other blockers, including fully free ones. I pay the trivial cost for 1Blocker because I want to support regular updates of blocking rules, and because it has one of the most extensive initial sets. They were also among the first to adopt the dynamic blocking for things like YouTube ads when the capability was added to Safari blockers in 2022.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by dang »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #56

Given that it's still Sam Altman, and his core value are "we market towards what will make us money", not all that different. The term "AI" has run its course, initially pulling in capital left and right, and that's drying up now that open source can do what the big boys came up with, too. So: rename the work to AGI, start a new hype train, and get the capital streams flowing anew.

Can you please not break HN's guidelines like this? They ask you not to fulminate, snark, or call names. We want curious conversation here, not denunciation.

Maybe you don't owe Sam Altman and what you imagine to be his core value better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by yamazakiwi »

srackey wrote: post #39
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occam's razor actually suggests the opposite to be. Tool AIs want to be agent AIs, after all. https://gwern.net/tool-ai

Sorry, you need to get off the internet if you think that the simplest explanation is that an AI singularity is right around the corner. Gwern, Bostrom, Yudkowski et. al. are terrific sci-fi writers, but I’d advise against taking them too seriously.

I'm personally hoping for an full scale AGI vs Human war so humans can have a common enemy.

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Post by bazmattaz »

cplusplusfellow wrote: post #7
djbusby wrote: post #4

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Checkout uBlock Origin https://ublockorigin.com/

How do you guys manage proper ad blocking on mobile? I haven’t gotten anything to work successfully (iOS).

I use Brave Browser on iOS. But I also have Safari with Adblock enabled - it’s another app you need to download.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by [deleted] »

riku_iki wrote: post #104
isk517 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI, the capital is still there it is just being spread around to a larger number of players than a few months ago when the boom began.

> I think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI they couldn't chew through 10B from MSFT that fast?..

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Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Post by TheRealPomax »

dang wrote: post #106
TheRealPomax wrote: post #56

Given that it's still Sam Altman, and his core value are "we market towards what will make us money", not all that different. The term "AI" has run its course, initially pulling in capital left and right, and that's drying up now that open source can do what the big boys came up with, too. So: rename the work to AGI, start a new hype train, and get the capital streams flowing anew.

Can you please not break HN's guidelines like this? They ask you not to fulminate, snark, or call names. We want curious conversation here, not denunciation. Maybe you don't owe Sam Altman and what you imagine to be his core value better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of th…

Fair enough, thank you for the reminder.
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