Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B • Hacker News Board

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by snvzz » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 1:29 AM UTC

fanf2 wrote: post #92

freeopinion wrote: post #85

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Or less that $1 for a SoC powered by 32-bit RV32IMAFC RISC-V “SiFive E24 Core”.[0] [0] https://pine64.com/product/pineseed-bl602-wifi-ble5-soc/

Does that have any documentation? Or am I looking in the wrong places for it?

Try github[0]. There's a community around this chip, with repos dedicated to collecting the documentation and code the vendor itself wouldn't provide, or would require filling request forms to obtain.

It tends to be like this with Chinese chips, and often times western ones too, unfortunately.

0. https://github.com/search?q=bl602&type=repositories

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by snvzz » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 1:31 AM UTC

petsfed wrote: post #47

zalthor wrote: post #9

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What’s the power consumption on that? The biggest draw for these machines (to me at least), is how they seem to run on a 5w power source.

You might be able to run on a 5W supply, but my experience is that booting on a less than 15W supply is a recipe for corrupted SD cards and hard-to-trace bugs. My biggest frustration with hobbyist boards is how little power the can source to e.g. the USB ports. Its super frustrating to need a powered USB hub to add e.g. a USB indicator light. The fact that you can power the RPi from the powered USB hub seems hacky, b…

By all means, use a good power source.

Yet note that a good power source doesn't mean that these SBCs will suddenly draw 15W sustained.

Average draw will be much lower than any of these NUC-like devices.

e.g. my VisionFive 2 is below 4w.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by FullyFunctional » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 2:09 AM UTC

Ignoring that the article is just an ad for his store, the thing that shocked me was the Orange Pi 5 Plus which includes "onboard microphone". I would NEVER want an onboard microphone unless it was a device I had far more than average trust in. What a great way to reward security breaches!

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by nl » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:19 AM UTC

jancsika wrote: post #56

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

> Here's an example of a USFF (ultra small form factor) for $110 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/325826958401 Hm... > No adapter is included. Needs 65W or above (most dell/hp laptops around the year it came out are compatible) The 65W power adapter on Dell retails for $46.99 on sale, bringing the grand total to $156.99. And that's just after skimming your link for 2 minutes.

Just shop around a bit.

Ebay Australia has a Lenovo M700 i5 with 8GB RAM, 256 GB SSD for AU$135.00 (US$86) including power supply and cords.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/126118210243

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by freeopinion » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:40 AM UTC

galangalalgol wrote: post #89

freeopinion wrote: post #85

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Or less that $1 for a SoC powered by 32-bit RV32IMAFC RISC-V “SiFive E24 Core”.[0] [0] https://pine64.com/product/pineseed-bl602-wifi-ble5-soc/

That $4 dev board looks like it might be an esp32 killer, or at least good competition. I was thinking of the esp32-c3 which is also risc-v with wifi and ble. It currently has really great rust support. You can even build the stdlib for it so you don't have to mess with no_std. The bl602 doesn't seem to have rust support yet, but I'm looking forward to more options.

It has rust support.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by bsder » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:45 AM UTC

coffeeri wrote: post #24

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

I've also compared many 1L PCs from a performance/price/power consumption perspective. I decided on the HP prodesk/ elitedesk 400/800 G5 with the i5-9500T. It idles at ~2-3W and has considerably more computing and storage than these embedded solutions. I only see something like a raspberry pi be handy when relying on GPIO ports.

If you need various forms of pin I/O (GPIO, SPI, I2C, CAN, etc.), the Beaglebone series kicks the tar out of the RPi series.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by RexM » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 5:14 AM UTC

freeopinion wrote: post #79

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

Or... brand new $189 Ryzen 7 4800H at https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C... .

That’s with no ram or storage, fyi.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by sinuhe69 » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 5:25 AM UTC

Unlike standardized PCs, embedded systems are not just about specs and prices, but much more about stability and the whole ecosystem. What helps a higher spec if you can not find a stable driver or the documents are so bad, you can not make heads or tails from that? What helps a cheaper price tag if you have to spend days trying to figure out why sometimes a hardware connection works but sometimes not?

Ultimately, time is money. If I manufacture something en-masse, obviously a few dollars difference is important. But for my one-off hobby project? I'll stick with what works.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by beAbU » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 5:56 AM UTC

snapplebobapple wrote: post #97

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

Are there any that have h265 and avi decoders?

I think you need to look for something 10th gen Intel or up.

I have an HP SFF machine with a 10th gen i3 as my Emby/Plex box and it can transcode 4k streams without breaking a sweat.

The more modern cpu models are a little rare still, but they show up from time to time.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by yftsui » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 6:04 AM UTC

ammar2 wrote: post #87

gsich wrote: post #70

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Lenovo uses a resistor to check the PSU power, should be easy enough. Don't know what Dell is doing.

Looks like a one-wire protocol talking to a DS2501 chip https://hclxing.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/hacking-a-dell-powe...

The author got almost everything correct except some minor parts. Using his charger as an example, it can be broken down as: DELL 00 AC090 195 046 CN09T2157161543835EAL 03 .

046 is the output current 4.6A instead of his partitioned as 46(there are power supplies output more than 10 amps).

The 22 bytes is the Dell PPID, which should be also present on the charger's label or the box: CN: Manufactured in China, some of them are TH which means made in Thailand. 09T215: Dell Part Number. 71615: Manufacturing factory code. 438: 2004 or 2014, March, 8th (Dell use YMD 3 bytes thus it is a lossy conversion always). 35EAL: This should be the serial number.

The last part 03 is a CRC16 (x16 + x15 + x2 + 1) checksum.