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LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by ink_13 »

monero-xmr wrote: post #87
gabyar wrote: post #44

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My first job was at a tech company with a union. Boeing. It was ridiculously bad. I've never worked with less talented people. One of my coworkers did nothing, at all, for 2 years. But with 17 years of experience, he couldn't be fired. I carried the team, but they couldn't pay me what I was worth or promote me. I left as soon as I could.

People love simple answers to complex problems. Unions are such an example. The core idea behind a union makes sense - it's legalised extortion. Unions have codified in the law the ability for everyone in the union to hold the owner of property at ransom until they meet the union's demands. The only counterweight is the threat of bankruptcy, which ruins everything for everyone, but because the ideology of labor is ve…

Based on this comment I am not convinced you know how unions work, either.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by WalterBright »

tannedNerd wrote: post #5
LewisVerstappen wrote: post #3

> LinkedIn is now ramping up hiring in India, according the person familiar. So, laying off people in the US and hiring in India?

I feel like if US companies are proven to off shore jobs they should take a massive tax hit the same year. Like you are required to pay 5 years worth of the salary of the job you off shored into unemployment or retraining funds.

Protectionism doesn't make an economy more prosperous. Quite the reverse, it makes an economy uncompetitive.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by hondo77 »

Atrine wrote: post #63
gabyar wrote: post #44

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My first job was at a tech company with a union. Boeing. It was ridiculously bad. I've never worked with less talented people. One of my coworkers did nothing, at all, for 2 years. But with 17 years of experience, he couldn't be fired. I carried the team, but they couldn't pay me what I was worth or promote me. I left as soon as I could.

Was it the union that was the problem or was it that you were working for a Dinosaur that hadn't been required to operate in today's high-tech world? Experience has shown that AT&T and Disney are the same sort of thing when working in tech, yet they don't have unions. But what they do all have in common - they are old companies that formed well before the internet.

Disney is a very big company. Maybe there are parts of it that our dinosaur-like but there are other parts that are doing the sharpening of the cutting edge. They'll fall behind every so often but then they catch back up and have been known to pass ahead.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by passion__desire »

creato wrote: post #88
passion__desire wrote: post #7

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If there are global markets for products, they should be global markets for employment.

The global market for tech products isn’t that much lower friction than tech employment. India has a lot of tariffs. China has the great firewall and the “local partner” shakedown. US has export controls of many high tech products.

Tariffs may reduce volume slightly but not margins. I doubt Apple is selling it's devices at a loss.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

hackernewds wrote: post #73
dehrmann wrote: post #33

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If people can work effectively from home, they can work effectively from their homes in Hyderabad.

Bold of you to assume it's the same people, that will deliver the same quality of work

Doesn't need to be the same quality if it's 1/5th the price.

Businesses care about profits - not quality.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by nojito »

waynesonfire wrote: post #90
nojito wrote: post #69

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Why?

because these people are being replaced with off-shore hires from India and China.

So? Are you implying that those developers can’t compete with US developers?

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by neilc »

lesuorac wrote: post #35
paxys wrote: post #19

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I'm willing to bet that LinkedIn's severance terms are significantly more generous that what a standard union shop can negotiate for its members.

Having seen the difference between USA's severance packages vs Europes I think you're wrong.

Also relevant are the difference between overall comp for software engineering jobs in the USA vs Europe.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by reidjs »

jongjong wrote: post #72

Damn. The market is already so tough for software engineers right now and the supply of engineers is going to increase again. I don't see how wages can drop lower than they are now. I think some engineers may have to consider a career in construction, plumbing, retail or other. Software development is just not worth the hassle and strain. Not to mention that it has become laborious, repetitive and inefficient without…

I think that’s a bit drastic to switch to a diff career entirely. Have you tried looking for software engineer jobs in non-big tech roles like in insurance companies and boring things like that?

They don’t pay a million dollars but still pretty reasonable. Then again I don’t have super high expenses so ymmv

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by bluGill »

newsclues wrote: post #41
paxys wrote: post #24

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Is anyone really surprised? Did you think the end result of the WFH movement was going to be companies continuing to pay you to live out of your Bay Area house?

No people thought they could cash Bay Area paycheques while working from low cost rural areas with WFH.

There is one advantage to Bay area when WFH: you can go into the office on request. I go into the office every 3 months or so - it is only a 7 mile bike ride. Sometimes things are better handled in person (I don't live in the Bay area). WFH with the ability to get into the office in a couple hours is valuable. Once you cannot get into the office easily if you need to you are worth less even if the need to get into the office is rare.
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