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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by vladvasiliu »

chx wrote: post #34
holografix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

And yet every time I post running Linux on a modern laptop as a daily driver is not a good idea I get heavily downvoted.

Probably because it depends on the modern laptop.

I bought my current daily driver when mobile Zen 3 parts were still new. Arch supported it 100% without any random tweaks since day one. As a comparison, Windows only figured out how to work the webcam about a year later...

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by vladvasiliu »

semiquaver wrote: post #52

Power management is where the framework laptops really suffer under Linux. I truly prefer Linux as an OS but my framework goes unused in favor of my MacBook Air because the former simply can’t hold a charge for more than a few days of standby or a few hours of use. I believe it’s the WiFi firmware which is known to have bad power management support on Linux.

> can’t hold a charge for more than a few days of standby

I don't own a Framework, but also have the battery draining for no reason issue on mine. I think the cause is the new "modern standby", where the laptop doesn't actually sleep. Windows mitigates this by switching to hibernation if you leave it "asleep" for a while and unplugged.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by inertiatic »

augustl wrote: post #99

After switching from an 11th gen Intel Dell XPS, to a M1 Macbook, I resist returning to PC laptops (even though I prefer Windows) until someone confirms that newer Ryzen and Intel chips are comparable in terms of "perceived performance" to Apple silicon. The whole laptop simply becomes syrupy on battery. Even if I go high performance mode in Windows settings, the whole device is just so laggy compared to a Macbook. A…

I'm on a 6850U Ryzen Windows machine and it's really smooth. Previously I too was using an 11th gen XPS 13 but on Linux, where battery was approximately 2 hours long. This machine feels both smooth, cool and for my usages there's no slowdowns on battery either (usually running few browser windows, a VM that's not taxed too hard and an IDE).

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by bayindirh »

sva_ wrote: post #27
bubblethink wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days. About the battery, I re…

> What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why.

To toggle overwrite mode in word processors, and funnily enough, in vim.

It's muscle memory now. Pres "i" to start writing, use insert to toggle between "REPLACE/INSERT" mode.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by kohlerm »

augustl wrote: post #99

After switching from an 11th gen Intel Dell XPS, to a M1 Macbook, I resist returning to PC laptops (even though I prefer Windows) until someone confirms that newer Ryzen and Intel chips are comparable in terms of "perceived performance" to Apple silicon. The whole laptop simply becomes syrupy on battery. Even if I go high performance mode in Windows settings, the whole device is just so laggy compared to a Macbook. A…

I tried Ubuntu Linux on a Framework 13th generation intel laptop. Very smooth even on battery. Might be the OS ...

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nani8ot »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #97
Sindrehan wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in Firefox (to my great annoyance)

I use Firefox, and I don't have issues sharing the screen with Discord

Screen sharing works in Firefox, but sometimes the (terrible) websites/apps only care about Chromium, even though it'd work on Firefox.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by eqvinox »

bubblethink wrote: post #22
sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

I have the same laptop, and while the BIOS/UEFI indeed doesn't activate any external monitors, Linux does it during boot before LUKS password prompt for me… not sure what the difference is? I'm on kernel 6.4.

There's also a firmware upgrade (the kind in /lib/firmware, not the kind in flash memory on the card) for the QCNFA765 wifi card that you have to install, which fixes both a lot (probably not all) of the s2idle issues, and gives a little bit of battery life. I found this out with some s0ix test tool that I now can't find… anyway, it should say in dmesg:

  ath11k_pci 0000:01:00.0: fw_version 0x110b196e fw_build_timestamp 2022-12-22 12:54 fw_build_id WLAN.HSP.1.1-03125-QCAHSPSWPL_V1_V2_SILICONZ_LITE-3.6510.23
Also, as some siblings already posted, Insert is on Fn+F10, which does indeed suck… but funnily enough it is also (undocumented?) on Fn+E, where it was on previous HP Elitebooks. I find that slightly more useful due to being reachable one-handed…

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by lhl »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #100
brosco wrote: post #10

I've had my Framework 12 over a year now, so maybe I can give some perspective. I had a lot of similar issues (mostly with wifi) running Fedora when I first got it. I also felt like I wasted a lot of time getting it set up and fixing little bugs here and there. But I'm happy to say that after the first two weeks or so, it's been rock solid. The issues I had with wifi were patched pretty quickly, and everything else p…

> The only thing is the battery life is still bad, partly because I have way too much RAM... Can you actually tell the difference the RAM quantity has on battery life? I have a different laptop with an older zen 3 part, as well as its cousin with an 11th gen i7. I haven't noticed any change in battery life, going from 32 to 64 GB on the AMD and from 16 to 32 on the Intel.

There's a small impact with larger capacities, but mostly it's memory speed and channels that have the biggest impact. Here's some testing posted in the Framework community forums from a couple years ago: https://community.frame.work/t/battery-life-impact-of-ram-me...

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by bubblethink »

eqvinox wrote: post #108
bubblethink wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

I have the same laptop, and while the BIOS/UEFI indeed doesn't activate any external monitors, Linux does it during boot before LUKS password prompt for me… not sure what the difference is? I'm on kernel 6.4. There's also a firmware upgrade (the kind in /lib/firmware, not the kind in flash memory on the card) for the QCNFA765 wifi card that you have to install, which fixes both a lot (probably not all) of the s2idle…

Maybe it's some interaction with the dock ? My external monitor is behind the hp tb4 dock. The wifi firmware is just the linux firmware, right ? I use Fedora, so it should be pretty up to date. s2idle is mostly fine, it's just that it'll randomly fail to sleep and the laptop will have a drained battery the next day when I open it.
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