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Re: Professional Traders Show Interest in Bitcoin

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> This means bitcoin is the only electronic payments and storage system where your funds are not subject to seizure by a central authority. Unfortunately, Bitcoin is not "men with guns entering your house or server location and taking your drive" proof.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption

Sure, that depends on the government giving you your drive(s) back if they can't pin you with anything.

Re: Professional Traders Show Interest in Bitcoin

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post #96

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You could try following up with this guy: http://falkvinge.net/2011/05/29/why-im-putting-all-my-saving... (for reference, HN discussion was here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2596475 )

That guy is just buying bitcoins, he's not interested in writing put options.

Right. I'm taking the piss out of bitcoin as a whole here, I don't actually think the bitcoin market is mature enough to make shorting on a large scale feasible nor any individual put transaction advisable given the lack of clearinghouses and counterparty risk mentioned by steve8918.

But... the guy has made it clear he believed bitcoin's value would rise, so selling a put option at - say - current value would be advantageous to him. Offer a low enough strike price, high enough premium, and word your offer in layman's terms ("you get money now and might get money later if bitcoin rises or might have to pay money if it falls") and he could be tempted to enter in an appropriate contract.

Re: Professional Traders Show Interest in Bitcoin

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Most exchanges are outside the USG's jurisdiction. Even if the USG tries to crack down, there will always be workarounds. The USG has been cracking down on online poker and gambling sites fir years, but that has never stopped the growth of the online-poker market in the US (to this day, online poker sites continue to sponsor poker tournaments that are aired on ESPN). The USG has been successful killing payment compan…

The agencies fighting against online poker are much weaker; also, poker is a profitable business that can defend itself. The US dollar is a centralized system. US financial regulation is in effect worldwide (except now Iran, I guess). If you have a decentralized system dependent on a centralized one, it's a centralized system. Bitcoin is not dependent on the USD for its operations, just for its value. The day after M…

> (Everywhere excluding Iran, I guess. Is Bitcoin big in Iran?)

I wouldn't say 'big' exactly, but the participation is non-zero: http://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=48hrs

Re: Professional Traders Show Interest in Bitcoin

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Two questions: 1. When a country limits capital flow, it sometimes becomes impossible to move your money out of that country. Doesn't Bitcoin solve that problem? 2. I have very little knowledge about how it actually works and how secure it is. How secure is Bitcoin ? Are governments via ISPs able to recognize packets that contain Bitcoins ? Or do you need to use ssh ?

Bitcoin runs well over Tor: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tor

Re: Professional Traders Show Interest in Bitcoin

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There's no other decentralized e-currency. This means bitcoin is the only electronic payments and storage system where your funds are not subject to seizure by a central authority. You won't wake up one day and find your account frozen (cf paypal, bitcoins are safe in the blockchain as long as you have your wallet) or be totally helpless if the domain name of some fly-by-night startup goes down (cf e-gold, bitcoins a…

> This means bitcoin is the only electronic payments and storage system where your funds are not subject to seizure by a central authority. Unfortunately, Bitcoin is not "men with guns entering your house or server location and taking your drive" proof.

Yes, bitcoin is exactly "men with guns entering your house or server location and taking your drive" proof."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/03/12/brainwalle...

Re: Professional Traders Show Interest in Bitcoin

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This means bitcoin is the only electronic payments and storage system where your funds are not subject to seizure by a central authority. Unfortunately, Bitcoin is not "men with guns entering your house or server location and taking your drive" proof.

Yes, bitcoin is exactly "men with guns entering your house or server location and taking your drive" proof." http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/03/12/brainwalle...

Uh, really? They won't be able to get to your money unless they force you to hand over the key, but unless they give you back the drive, neither will you.

Re: Professional Traders Show Interest in Bitcoin

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most exchanges are outside the USG's jurisdiction. Even if the USG tries to crack down, there will always be workarounds. The USG has been cracking down on online poker and gambling sites fir years, but that has never stopped the growth of the online-poker market in the US (to this day, online poker sites continue to sponsor poker tournaments that are aired on ESPN). The USG has been successful killing payment compan…

The agencies fighting against online poker are much weaker; also, poker is a profitable business that can defend itself. The US dollar is a centralized system. US financial regulation is in effect worldwide (except now Iran, I guess). If you have a decentralized system dependent on a centralized one, it's a centralized system. Bitcoin is not dependent on the USD for its operations, just for its value. The day after M…

Let's imagine that the entire staff of MtGox were to be arrested tomorrow. Their homes burned, the earth salted, etc. So no more Bitcoin to USD trades at MtGox.

But what about your neighbor Bob's place? You buy him dinner, and the next day a string of bits comes your way via Tor (or somesuch.) There is no need to utter the word "Bitcoin" during said dinner. A wink, a nudge, etc. will suffice. The next day, Bob does the same with his neighbor Charlie. And so on.

And, naturally, if Bob were a traitor, he could rat you out to the Gestapo. But he could just as easily rat you out for [insert extremely popular but highly-illegal-in-the-USA activity here.] No digital cocaine required - the analog kind will do. And if you haven't any under your bed, Bob will helpfully leave a kilo in your toilet tank.

Most people have already had plenty of practice exchanging highly-illegal strings of bits. Now they will just need to learn to give each other "free" stuff as well.

Bitcoin hasn't reached the critical mass needed for this kind of thing, but there is no reason why it could not.

Consider hawala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala) which is doing quite well despite draconian bans. On which currencies do hawala transactions depend? All of them and none of them.

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