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2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> During the twentieth century, women’s education levels continuously increased, and in most high-income countries they are now substantially higher than for men. > However, Goldin has shown that the bulk of this earnings difference is now between [sic] and women in the same occupation, and that it largely arises with the birth of the first child. Interesting situation developing if the main effort is in educating wo…

One thing to note from https://ofboysandmen.substack.com/p/the-gender-pay-gap-is-no... is this when comparing same-sex and opposite-sex couples:

"the impact on earnings for the birth mother is [almost identical in both family types](https://www.ifau.se/globalassets/pdf/se/2016/wp2016-08-does-...). Meanwhile, the nonbirth mothers in the lesbian couples show a similar earnings pattern to fathers in the heterosexual ones"

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> Goldin showed that female participation in the labour market did not have an upward trend over this entire period, but instead forms a U-shaped curve. The participation of married women decreased with the transition from an agrarian to an industrial society in the early nineteenth century, but then started to increase with the growth of the service sector in the early twentieth century. Goldin explained this patter…

Intuitive today, but perhaps not in days past. One criticism of the modern Nobel is that they are being given to old people for work done decades previous. Rather than spur promising scientists to extend good work, the Nobel is now more of a lifetime achievement award for people nearing the end of distinguished careers. There are exceptions, but this trend is likely tied to much of modern science taking decades betwe…

there is a good reason why the committee chooses older researchers with seemingly outdated, decades-old contributions over younger researchers.

you can't award the nobel posthumously. in other words, once someone dies, they take their life's work with them to the grave without any further formal recognition. so older folks are prioritized because everyone knows that the younger folks still have long lives ahead of them, and their time to shine will come.

also, the reason why nobel laureates in economics tend to be older than the other sciences is because of the lag time of proving important contributions.

in the basic sciences, new discoveries can be overnight. of course, incremental progress takes decades as well, but the culmination --- the breaking point of a new discovery --- can be instantaneous.

in economics, which is better categorized as speculation of rational and irrational human decision-making, it may take decades to prove a theorem (especially in macro). there is no "overnight success". you can say the most absurd or correct claim such as "new neoclassical synthesis is the best monetary framework!" but even if it were true, it doesn't matter unless there is substantial evidence. and that usually takes decades because of long-term business cycles and novel, unprecedented crises.

the consequence of this lag time between when the seminal paper is published and when there is consensus in the field is massive.

example:

paul romer won the econ nobel in 2018. but the paper he wrote that earned him the nobel was actually his PhD thesis from all the way back in 1983, when he 29. he hypothesized that one of the most important contributions to long-term economic growth was ideas, and how it is free to distribute and re-use innovative ideas.

even if his hypothesis were true in 1983, it wouldn't matter unless there was substantial evidence of it. and you can be sure that the rapid growth many developing countries experienced post-1980s and onwards helped to support his claim.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> and demonstrably antithetical to Nobel’s original intent

I'm curious as to your logic here. His intent was to award those who "better humanity". Why do you consider economics research not for the betterment of humanity?

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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What was his original intent, and how is it antithetical to offer a prize in economics?

I understand that perhaps he selected certain disciplines and didn’t include economics, but I’m not understanding how to get from not including economics to “antithetical”.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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I mean, the impetus for the Nobel prize was Nobel seeing what his own obituary was going to be and realizing people didn't like him, and wanting to build up some good press. So unless the prize goes to someone who shows that the invention of dynamite was a bad thing I would say it is still honoring his original intent.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, a pseudoscience and here we have someone who won doing exclusively empirical work. Not sure how you match those two but keep at it

There has been substantial amount of empirical work on remote seeing and telepathy, including some that "prove" them to be true.

Doing a legitimate experiment on remote seeing for instance is by definition science, just like doing experiments trying to prove luminiferous ether were science back in the 19th century. Science is a methodology, not facts and something doesn't become science just because your hypothesis is correct or incorrect.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> Goldin showed that female participation in the labour market did not have an upward trend over this entire period, but instead forms a U-shaped curve. The participation of married women decreased with the transition from an agrarian to an industrial society in the early nineteenth century, but then started to increase with the growth of the service sector in the early twentieth century. Goldin explained this patter…

Plenty of unintuitive results in science. Economics is especially prone to fallacies, so proof and data is welcome.

No more so than other social science, all are susceptible to being politicized. See the current climate surrounding gender.
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