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Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair isn’t necessarily the most important metric for schools. If your parent is a billionaire it’s perfectly rational for them to prefer you over somewhat more qualified applicants.

based on what, their willingness and ability to donate? "the university could use a new international airport..."

Donations are appreciated, but so are connections.

Mixing the extremes of intellect, social connections, and wealth offers benefits to each group. It’s an old formula and arguably a larger factor of what makes an elite school than its faculty.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm - L4 is super depressing for ambitious engineer.

Quit! I did it and now I’m interviewing for roles where I could build the team from 1 to 5 engineers. Lots of good proven founders out there that want an ex-Googler.

I haven't worked there for 5+ years now.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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There have been speculations about whether family connections played a significant role in the hiring decisions. For example, the fact that Stanley Zhong's father Nan Zhong is engineering manager at Google may lead to concerns that a reference or recommendation from that parent, who holds a high-ranking position, influenced the hiring process.

Moreover, some have pointed out that the Stanley Zhong's primary background in the case was founding a startup that utilized services from a major tech company, like Amazon Web Services (AWS). This situation has led to discussions about the potential overlap between the teenager's career development and the parent's professional connections, as Nan Zhong happens to be previously software engineer manager at AWS.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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There have been speculations about whether family connections played a significant role in the hiring decisions. For example, the fact that Stanley Zhong's father Nan Zhong is engineering manager at Google may lead to concerns that a reference or recommendation from that parent, who holds a high-ranking position, influenced the hiring process. Moreover, some have pointed out that the Stanley Zhong's primary backgroun…

So having applied to Google multiple times on different referrals and gotten exactly 0 interviews, I can say that it probably doesn't affect your application to have "connections" nearly as much as you'd think. In any case, he did competitive programming on the side and he was certainly very good at it, which makes the interview portion trivial to pass.

> Moreover, some have pointed out that the Stanley Zhong's primary background in the case was founding a startup that utilized services from a major tech company, like Amazon Web Services (AWS). This situation has led to discussions about the potential overlap between the teenager's career development and the parent's professional connections, as Nan Zhong happens to be previously software engineer manager at AWS.

This is BS. Every web app runs on some cloud infrastructure (or I guess on-prem is an option if you have a lot of money), but as a high school student your budget will be determined based on how much free credit you'll get. Google Cloud and AWS both have generous amounts of free credits for startups, so realistically these were the two best options. I think it's slightly easier to get AWS credits than Google, but regardless, they're pretty easy to get (I have a friend who has gotten tens of thousands of dollars worth of free credits for simply having registered an LLC and getting a Mercury account).

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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Why bother with working for a large corp or going to college? Seems like he should focus on his organically fast growing startup.

There is value for an 18 year old to work for a bit before trying to work a start up. It will help him meet people, pay rent, save some money, maybe learn some new tools, and something about management and business.

You missed the part where he has a profitable company already. He does more management and business at his own company than as a low level engineer at a megacorp.

A better answer is that his startup is done and generating cash flow with part time work, and doesn't really have a future growing to really challenging DocuSign.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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There have been speculations about whether family connections played a significant role in the hiring decisions. For example, the fact that Stanley Zhong's father Nan Zhong is engineering manager at Google may lead to concerns that a reference or recommendation from that parent, who holds a high-ranking position, influenced the hiring process. Moreover, some have pointed out that the Stanley Zhong's primary backgroun…

So having applied to Google multiple times on different referrals and gotten exactly 0 interviews, I can say that it probably doesn't affect your application to have "connections" nearly as much as you'd think. In any case, he did competitive programming on the side and he was certainly very good at it, which makes the interview portion trivial to pass. > Moreover, some have pointed out that the Stanley Zhong's prima…

Is that your father or mom who you got referral from or just some random friends? It's totally different if the referral recommendation is very strong. As a software engineering manager at Google I can tell you that you don't underestimate the power of managers these days. One can easily connect resources and asks for which team is actively hiring and put in some good words. Otherwise, if the candidate is that strong, why did he never spoken about being offered position at aws or even meta? Likely he just get rejected by minimum qualification requirement by resume.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#108

Well, he certainly did something wrong in his applications. His high school doesn't even know he sent some of them, going by the failure to mention eg Maryland or Wisconsin in their list of colleges applied to this year. (And I get the impression this place tracks them pretty closely...) https://gunn.pausd.org/campus-life/college-career-center/col...

I went to this high school. They used to require you report every college you applied to, but no longer do (due to… privacy concerns I think? Not everyone wants intense speculation in where they may or may not have applied.) so he could have just not reported it.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#109

Well, he certainly did something wrong in his applications. His high school doesn't even know he sent some of them, going by the failure to mention eg Maryland or Wisconsin in their list of colleges applied to this year. (And I get the impression this place tracks them pretty closely...) https://gunn.pausd.org/campus-life/college-career-center/col...

I went to this high school. They used to require you report every college you applied to, but no longer do (due to… privacy concerns I think? Not everyone wants intense speculation in where they may or may not have applied.) so he could have just not reported it.

Would he really have not reported acceptances though? (Maryland)

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#110
College admissions are broken, plain and simple. Completely opaque. Success criteria unclear, appears highly subjective, subject to gaming and monetary influence, officially biased against non-alumni & non-affiliated children. Simply F'ed up. I don't have any words for it. Schools or someone else have to clean up this mess.

My only hope is that people will see through how potentially useless college education is. For many people, it's simply an extended daycare if you need additional time to find your life's direction. Kids like this one don't need it. Kudos to him! Teaching models are largely broken. All you need is youtube and an internet connection these days. Structured post-K12 education is over-rated.

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