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Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

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Re: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

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And both model S and X have been completely discontinued in the UK due to the lack of interest. The only Tesla you can order here is a model 3, and it's got fierce competition from other brands.

That's incorrect. You can order a Model Y. https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/modely More accurate on the S/X to say they're not enough demand in RHD. Same reason they're not available in Australia.

Yes sorry I completely forgot about the model Y.

Re: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

#102

EVs are a hard sell. Range anxiety is not an issue, but the charging infrastructure is. The cost is also too high for the average buyer at this time.

yeah everything non-Tesla is a complete non-starter for me until they actually use the harmonized charging network, so I guess the 2025 models? Tesla models are a somewhat starter, too few options in look and then the price and its a weird quagmire, the people that can afford to live in dense high cost of livings cities are the exact target audience for EV’s but have the most perplexing and inconvenient charging arra…

There is another problem--multi-level parking operators are banning EVs on the grounds of safety and weight.

Re: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

#103
If the title had a "their" after the "for", it would make a bit more sense. Maybe people who want e-vehicles are just not interested in VW nowadays.

VW once had quite a lot of brand loyalty, because they made good products and changed them incrementally, according to engineering decisions. That's not true now, with so many different styles being made available that it's hard to keep track, with odd finishing decisions (those horrid screens on the dashboard make it anything but a drivers' car). Heck, I saw a video of a test drive that talked about the gear shifter coming out of its attachment as the driver made an aggressive shift. I drove VWs for years, and I never one thought the gear shifter would come lose.

It seems like MBAs are making decisions at VW, and not driving enthusiasts.

Here's a thought for VW: electrify the car that made you so much money for so many years (the plain golf) and see what happens to your bottom line.

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#104

Working in Tech, I love a lot about electric cars. I just have a few issues I cannot seem to overcome (this is a personal ME thing about EV's and some new gas vehicles, your mileage may vary....pun intended). All new cars spy on you (well most do), but EV's are completely software driven and seem to be more intrusive. I want a car I can connect to the internet when I want to for updates and that is it. I also want an…

> So you are telling me they could of been build with smaller batteries and save money and the environment, but they were not... If you charge and discharge a lithium ion cell from 4.2V to 2.75V, you might get 250 full cycles. If you stop charging at 4V and call that 100%, and stop discharging at 3.2V, you might get 2000 cycles before capacity is reduced. Phone and laptop manufacturers prefer to burn the battery out…

>Neither, for reasons unclear to me, allow the owner to make that decision.

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Re: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

#105
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Correction: ...as demand for non-Tesla EVs plunges. Demand for Tesla EVs is... booming. Tesla sold 83% more cars in the most recent quarter than in the same quarter a year ago.[a] [a] https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/...

What causes Tesla's demand to be so high ? price only ? or did VW EV effort failed ? I didn't read about it but it, but last year or so, IDn cars prototypes were reviewed favorably.

I think the problem is price. Traditionally VW has been cheap, reliable cars that are almost as good as the 'fancy' brands, but for a lot less money. However when it comes to EVs, the ID.4 costs just as much a Tesla model Y and I guess when given the choice between a VW and a Tesla for the same price, people choose Tesla.

Re: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

#106
post #43

Who is buying a new car these days anyway? Maybe the older generation who are living in their cheap paid off homes. But i dont know anyone below 50 who ever bought a new car. 50k for a small refrigerator? Compared to a 10 year old bigger car for 15k with similar operating costs and no hassle.

I bought a new car in April of 2020 and it was a screaming deal. Paid 3k under MSRP for a prestige trim and the total price was in the 20s. Maybe your friends just don't know a buying opportunity when it comes around?

I bought a new car in April of 2020

2020 hardly counts as "these days"

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#107
post #67

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We seem to be inching more and more towards the dystopian future we always feared. The sad thing is we seem to be willingly and collectively marching towards it ourselves.

At least it's a democratic march.

The authoritarian march (China et all) doesn't seem to be any less...march-y.

Re: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

#108

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Honda is probably not who you want to look at for EV comparisons. They have the Honda E (city car, I think being discontinued) and upcoming partnership with GM to rebadge the Blazer EV as Honda Prologue. And then there’s their “Afeela” joint venture with Sony which I’m sure will go great…

Yeahhhh Honda was only any good in the 80s-90s. Nowadays they're just resting on their laurels and abusing brand recognition.

That's why people routinely drive Hondas for 200K - 300K miles and have few issues with them? Because they're resting on their laurels?

Honda is also recognized as being one of the best motorcycle manufacturers in the world as their motorcycles are regarded as being the most reliable.

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#109

Its funny how the EU is now 'investigating subsidies' in China. China has been building this sector for like 30 years. While Europeans were so proud of their diesel vehicles and how clean they were and the Germany companies endlessly talking about hydrogen and green fuels. While Europe has basically no resource extraction related to batteries or much of any battery refinement for most of that period. But now that thi…

I don't believe anyone with a brain ever thought hydrogen was going to be practical for cars. Governments (thankfully not the US much) pushed hydrogen as a stalling tactic knowing it would never be viable or reduce demand for fossil fuels.

You are just being brainwashed by BEV propaganda. Not only do people with a brain still believe in hydrogen for cars, that includes the majority of automotive engineers. BEVs are the weird, government mandated BS cars that few people want. If the car industry was given a democratic choice, it will pivot to hydrogen as the future.

Re: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges

#110

Working in Tech, I love a lot about electric cars. I just have a few issues I cannot seem to overcome (this is a personal ME thing about EV's and some new gas vehicles, your mileage may vary....pun intended). All new cars spy on you (well most do), but EV's are completely software driven and seem to be more intrusive. I want a car I can connect to the internet when I want to for updates and that is it. I also want an…

BEVs are a dead end technology because they are far more expensive than the cars they are replacing. There is no way this market is going to survive once the subsidies and government support ends. People with brains are finally realizing that it is time to move on and towards some other technology.
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