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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by [deleted] »

jessepasley wrote: post #94
ipnon wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A man’s freedom to live in a liberal democracy is not dependent on his activity’s perceived similarity to crimes committed by other people. It’s determined by the law and the application of justice. The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereign right as alleged.

Where does Canada stand with regards for her southern neighbor and his proclivity for extrajudicial killings and violations of sovereignty in the name fighting a War on Terror?

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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by barkingcat »

darth_avocado wrote: post #16

Politics aside, this feels like a good policy question? How do laws apply in the context of a global platform like Facebook. Something may be in violation of a law in one country, but be totally acceptable in another. Should sovereign citizens on one country be subjected to laws of another? If Twitter files showed us anything, posts get taken down at the request of the government (including US and Canada).

There's a ton of precedence of American companies applying American laws universally across the world (regardless of whether it's applicable by jurisdiction) in IP cases, in trade issues, etc. many times it's easiest to just have 1 set of rules across the planet, so companies end up with following the lowest common denominator of legal actions and policies. (even if these policies are illegal in other jurisdictions. Many cases, American companies just go ahead with the illegal policies and then pay the fine in each country where it is found to be acting illegally. The fines are not even sufficient to be rounding errors of their operating budget in many cases so they just break laws at will just so that it's easier to match the policies around the world).

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Pxtl »

kmeisthax wrote: post #36
dblohm7 wrote: post #9

Play stupid games (Canadian government bill C-18 [1]), win stupid prizes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_News_Act

This isn't C-18, this is way worse. The context is that there's a Canadian Sikh who has been calling for parts of India to secede from India. In response, India had him assassinated. India has laws on the books that allow them to remove content globally for things that violate Indian law. They enforce this on social media companies by requiring them to have employees on the country's soil in order to take them hostag…

For reference from those outside of Canada/India, when a region of Canada had a problem with a terrorist separatist group... well on the one hand we temporarily suspended civil liberties with the "war measures act".

But on the other hand we also ran a referendum and asked if the public really wanted to leave.

The separatists lost the referendum. Repeatedly.

Particularly relevant since PM Trudeau's father was involved in handling that situation.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by chaostheory »

mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

So Facebook still allows posts of news articles in Canada post C-18? I’m not very familiar with the subject hence the question

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by epgui »

eYsYs wrote: post #67
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

> Murdering someone without trial because you don't like their political speech- why, I think there's a word for that. Oh yeah? What's the word for accusing someone for murdering without an iota of proof?

This is a distortion of the statement that was actually made / what is actually claimed.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by papercrane »

Sanzig wrote: post #51
n_t wrote: post #39

Since this will soon become heated and full of misinformation, here are some details- 1. PM Trudeau called emergency session over "credible" allegations but no actual evidence. The leader of opposition has also called out lack of evidence. 2. Canada expelled a key Indian diplomat but not nothing more - basically diplomatese - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/18/americas/canada-hardeep-s... 3. India issued statement ca…

> The leader of opposition has also called out lack of evidence. That is not what he said at all: https://nitter.net/PierrePoilievre/status/170389391532824992...

He's since changed his position and is saying Trudeau should release more information publicly. For context Poilievre has refused to get security clearance, so it's unlikely he's seen the whatever evidence CSIS has.+

* https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/poilievre-trudeau-har...

+ there's a lot that's been written about his refusal. The short of it is that his position is that part of the process is he needs to promise not to reveal anything he sees and he has said that could interfere with his work as leader of the opposition.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

screye wrote: post #59
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

And what of the murder of Sikhs that spurred that? Or the murder of muslims in India in general?

This issue is not something we want to be adjudicating. It is not a matter of black and white, good guys and bad guys. If India does not like the guy and wants him charged with terrorism, she needs to go through Canadian courts.

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Post by UberFly »

tredre3 wrote: post #37
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> suppression of separatists If true, this was a stupid move. They’ve martyred a separatist while bringing him and his cause international sympathy and attention. The assassins have carried out an action resembling an attack on a founding member of NATO and close ally of America’s. In North America. This is a line even the Soviets and Chinese respected. Not out of fear, but rational self interest. If true, New Delhi’…

> In North America. This is a line even the Soviets and Chinese respected When it comes to assassination, maybe. But China conducts extra-judicial operations in Canada, and even deport citizens (send back to China), with little respect for Canada's sovereignty. * Search for china+secret+police+canada and make your own mind. Obviously the CCP denies it and the Canadian government is mute. So you only have the mainstre…

They have these "global police" units in the US too to go after political expatriates and god knows what else.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by jiofj »

pseudo0 wrote: post #78
slashdev wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> BC Sikhs goes against our Community Standards on dangerous individuals and organizations. This is hilarious to anyone who knows any Sikhs. They’re some of the most peace loving people on planet earth.

Canada's single most deadly terrorist attack was the bombing of Air India Flight 182 by Sikh Khalistani separatists. 329 people were killed, including 268 Canadians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

A bomb in an Air India plane done by Sikh can hardly be called a terrorist attack in Canada.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by mabbo »

asg101 wrote: post #58
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

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And I think they're just as wrong for it.

But if you'll consult a world map and look just above the United States, you'll notice that Canada is, in fact, a separate country.

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