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Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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Search for "soil testing". There should be local companies doing it, as it's a standard procedure when planning new buildings. (You can't build a new school or playground on polluted ground, for example.)

But you can build a school and then dump 50 tons of shredded tires on the playground as a woodchip alternative.

Right but you won't be growing a garden in it any time soon. So while not great it may be better than just burning.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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"Seventy-eight percent of ocean microplastics are synthetic tire rubber, according to a report by the Pew Charitable Trust." How true is this? Seems like we have been focusing on the wrong sources if this is true?

78% by number not by amount (mass). The tire particles are incredibly small, so there are lots of them.

Your lungs and bloodstream are also very small and numbers matter too

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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I have and when they try to put recycled tire in their mouths, I stop them. It is not a tenable position to suggest that children will unavoidably poison themselves, and that's just part of life...

Too late - they already did it. Unless you are implying you hover over them no matter where they go. Most parents will sit on the side and watch their kids. They can remove the tire material from their mouths, but they can't stop it from entering in the first place.

Most parents don't take their children to playgrounds where the likelihood of putting toxic materials into their mouths is high.

Also, having watched many a young child, this isn't normal behavior for children you leave alone to play on playgrounds, precisely for this reason.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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and unfortunately, EV's are worse than ICE cars of similar size, because of the extra weight - so they can go thru tires 30% faster. "Increased tire wear can also contribute to air quality issues. In Oslo, Norway, where electric vehicles make two-thirds of registered vehicles but a higher proportion of traffic, the "air has unhealthy levels of microscopic particles generated partly by the abrasion of tires and asphal…

Here we go. Funny how we are just learning this now! And EVs are the problem. Not the giant SUVs and trucks!

We would be wise to be sceptical of all these EV tyre pollution reports coming out.

At best it’s clickbate reporting, and at worst it’s a biased agenda anti EV campaign.

Maybe like for like the weight of a vehicle of a given size contributes to increased tyre wear, but you can’t argue that generally vehicles are so large that we need further analysis of the overall impact etc….

The number Dual Cab Utes on the school run around us is just bonkers.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

#105

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That doesn't seem likely, F150s are built to be light and agile, as well as environmental friendly.

Basic facts don’t seem likely? Or am I just missing your sarcasm?

I’m assuming sarcasm.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

#106

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> some people here say that kind of thing with no irony whatsoever Well, if that person appears, then this would be a good reply to them. Well, actually it'd be pretty heavy-handed and unconvincing, but still. You know.

At least I was trying to contribute something besides low-effort snark and insults.

It was a small joke to pre-emptively showcase a classic counterargument's flaws.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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post #29

and unfortunately, EV's are worse than ICE cars of similar size, because of the extra weight - so they can go thru tires 30% faster. "Increased tire wear can also contribute to air quality issues. In Oslo, Norway, where electric vehicles make two-thirds of registered vehicles but a higher proportion of traffic, the "air has unhealthy levels of microscopic particles generated partly by the abrasion of tires and asphal…

Here we go. Funny how we are just learning this now! And EVs are the problem. Not the giant SUVs and trucks!

The elephant in the room is that the actual problem are cars.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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But I'm 23 with no family in Amsterdam with a remote role and I get around on a bike just fine?

So, add some kids, and send them to a good school and sign them up for some interesting extracurricular activities. Later, once the kids are gone, fuck up your knee (or back, hips, etc). Don’t get me wrong, I like city life, but it’s not for everyone and doesn’t eliminate all use cases for cars.

My parents did not have car when I was kid.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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But I'm 23 with no family in Amsterdam with a remote role and I get around on a bike just fine?

How did that bike get to you? How did the food get to your grocery store before you rode there? (Hint: it's not trains and boats. Go watch the traffic on a highway some time and you'll be disabused of that notion.) How did all of the transport involved in your furniture's manufacture and final delivery occur? Even if we completely got rid of passenger cars, there would still be plenty of tires on the road and there w…

> How did that bike get to you?

Definitely not by everyone riding the car to workplace.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

#110

I'm constantly astounded at the way roads are laid out in many areas. Dumb traffic signals that turn red even when the road is empty, stop signs that can easily be replaced with yield signs, and much more. Low hanging fruit. But there are people who are just interested in talking, not fixing things.

My city has been converting lights to be on timers rather than sensors to frequently give pedestrians a walk signal to improve walkability.

This leads in to the concept of induced demand, which has been shown to be true over and over in urban planning. Essentially, making traffic better with smarter lights, more lanes, etc. doesn't work because it causes more people to drive their cars rather than choose alternative modes. It is much more effective from a climate standpoint to reduce driving by making it harder relative to transit, walking, and biking. Obviously the better way to do that is to make those other modes easier, rather than making driving harder, but putting resources into making driving easier certainly isn't a good idea either.

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