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You can enforce that boundary with a walk before and after work. Wake, coffee, walk, start work at 9. Finish at 5, put computer away, and walk for 15 min, your day is done.
I really wish I could be that organised.
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Yes, when he says he doesn’t work well in an office people here are reading he wants to work from home. In reality, he’s probably thinking he’d rather be on the road than stay in his SV ivory tower. Two stories about Benioff you might find interesting; when we were selling our startup there were two bidders on the table, Google and Salesforce. Google sent out minions, Larry and Sergey were only reachable via email/ca…
Salesforce is 1/10 the size of Google. SF should have much more time for an aquisition of the same size.
Just like in any kind of b2b sales, the decisions are never fully data-driven.
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It all comes down to hiring the right people. The problem with remote is many companies hire the wrong people so they end up not doing the right thing. Then all of the people who are good get punished.
Its also lazy management. Remote work used to be an earned privilege for workers who were self sufficient and didn't need any management. Now everyone expects it, and lazy/weak managers will just make everyone come into the office vs having hard conversations with crap employees to tell them they cant work from home.
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I did, but the enforced boundary between work and home is very important to me.
You can enforce that boundary with a walk before and after work. Wake, coffee, walk, start work at 9. Finish at 5, put computer away, and walk for 15 min, your day is done.
It's really arrogant how you assume you understand GP's situation better than themselves.
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>> Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute > Not that much. OK, let's assume it's not 90 minutes but only 20 minutes a day. That compounds, and it's a lot of time I could spend on what really matters to me, not work. Why should I do it, if I have a choice? Time is the most precious thing we have. I will never come back to the office, period.
It’s 20 minutes where I catch up on the news get a bit of walking in from the home to the train station and generally wake up to arrive at the office ready to go.
You could WFH, get up at the same time, spend 10 minutes meditating, 10 minutes walking and you would have been healthier and saved money.
Does your firm count that 20 minutes as part of your work hours?
If not, then WFH is superior.
How you use that time is a question for you to use your agency to resolve.
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I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.
Stolen? You were paid for and took the job you knew was a certain distance and commute away from your home. I believe employees have to start to get used to being paid less when working remote. People who work in an office or factory have to be rewarded for this commute. Some jobs cannot be made remote. I assume a lot of people working remote also like the fact that they can do the laundry, clean the house, do some e…
The firm didnt give 2 bits about your commute. They pay you to be in on time. Not your commute. I know people who travel 6 hours a day. They get paid the same.
Why would any firm increase salaries, for services you were already providing?
You get maybe 12 waking hours a day, 8 working +2 commuting. Getting 2 hours back is a 16% raise.
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Business development what? Salesforce is a publicly traded billion dollar company, not an early stage startup.
Read the article. It's explained there. A CEO traveling around to meet customers isn't a bad thing. In addition, he's the co-CEO and probably left day to day operations to the real CEO.
Is he firefighting? Why isnt he doing strategy, management and the other things CEOs do?
Like hiring a CMO or BD head to do all the traveling he is doing?
>Well, I’m a remote worker. I’ve always been a remote worker my whole life. I don’t work well in an office,” Benioff said. “It just doesn’t work for my personality. I can’t tell you why. I do love to go in to visit customers though. I’m on the road constantly visiting customers.”
Ah, so he doesnt need to do sales. He likes doing it. It just …works… for his personality.
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Then you should specify that you believe the role is effectively a senior sales position instead of referring to them as a ceo, hence you talking about c levels. If you think all ceos are in this situation then you effectively are referring to c levels. If you want to season your comments about regular employees with “might” you should also do that from the get go. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt as this is ha…
> Then you should specify that you believe the role is effectively a senior sales position instead of referring to them as a ceo I've made one comment where I did that (although of course we need to call him a CEO because that's his job title). What are you talking about?
Eh, sounds like the title is possibly either poor communication or a comment cherry-picked for the purpose of being provocative. He seems to have some nuance and flexibility on the issue that some people lack.
It seems fair to use some amount of propaganda to push the "I want to work from home" agenda, since companies pushing "return to work" are also playing that same game. I agree that he seems to have nuance on the topic, but the playing field seems to have already abandoned fair play.
The companies may seem to get away with it, but not because they use a particular language tactic. They have the power to back up their "opinion" by firing people. People who want to keep their job may stop arguing, not because they buy the BS framing but because they have bills to pay.
The folks who hope to take a stand in the interest of worker's rights would be better served by trying hard to stick to the facts, promote nuanced discussions and not let the companies drag them into this kind of pissing contest.
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Read the article. It's explained there. A CEO traveling around to meet customers isn't a bad thing. In addition, he's the co-CEO and probably left day to day operations to the real CEO.
why is the CEO of sales force doing sales?? Is he firefighting? Why isnt he doing strategy, management and the other things CEOs do? Like hiring a CMO or BD head to do all the traveling he is doing? >Well, I’m a remote worker. I’ve always been a remote worker my whole life. I don’t work well in an office,” Benioff said. “It just doesn’t work for my personality. I can’t tell you why. I do love to go in to visit custom…
Even on the less cynical side, there's something to be said for hearing from customers directly instead of filtered through 5 levels of middle management