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iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

#101

Why on Earth would you make a phone out of Titanium? I mean, yes, hard, shiny, expensive... but just seems so wasteful.

Lightweight and durable. That’s why people love titanium. You wanna make a big rectangle that is super thin and costs thousands of dollars and you’re gonna have to concern yourself with frame flex. The original XL iPhones had a bending problem. Whatever structural member they eventually designed in to solve that, it’s going to be some amount of thinner, lighter, stronger when made with titanium.

As far as wasteful - sort of. Titanium metal isn’t particularly rare, it’s just bound up in ore that takes an extremely energy intensive process to convert to usable material. That’s the Kroll method, invented 80 years ago to refine titanium. There’s actually a new process called the Armstrong method which is way simpler and less capital and energy intensive. In a very real sense, Apple investing in titanium is exactly what we need to push down the cost of refining and fabricating with the metal.

Aluminum used to be more precious than gold, and then 150 years ago scientists figured out how to cheaply refine aluminum. Now we use aluminum for everything from cheap bottle openers and bike frames to disposable containers and Martian rover parts.

I learned about all of the above over the last 10 years as an engineering nerd. I’ve long been awaiting the day when the Armstrong process is the norm and titanium costs are super low. However that process creates powder, so this might also require low cost titanium 3D printers. All I know is investment can bring down these costs, and I’m glad to see apple doing it!

Bonus: these department of energy videos on the comically complex Kroll process[1] and the super simple Armstrong process[2]:

[1] https://youtu.be/oWyrzZh3We0?si=OdRTu6crob-PVkLJ

[2] https://youtu.be/73HLzYuIfx0?si=dRwfraPivcKyCA6U

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Which is a fair offer if you don't have to research USB-C for 2 days just to then order the wrong cable anyway.

I'm a Google Pixel user that's been using USB C to charge my phone, laptops and other devices/accessories for years now and I've never run into this issue before. It just works.

Charging is rarely an issue. At worse you will charge at 5V/1A=5W as it’s the common minimum that any USB cable with basically just 2 wires connected will provide.

So any crappy USB cable will ´work’ for charging, and it’s transparent enough that you won’t really notice in most case.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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It also has the potential to be quite confusing. There will almost certainly be some laptops that attempt to charge themselves from the iPhone battery depending on which of the 10 versions of USB-C are being implemented. Will all the counterfeit usb-c cables also cause a bunch of confusion when features don’t work? Will plugging in your phone at the airport be less of a risk?

> which of the 10 versions of USB-C are being implemented

The only charging differences between cables are raising the current limit above the default 3 amps (which is only relevant at 60+ watts). Those differences won't confuse any devices.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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The technical-specification part of the law is placed in an annex for easy modification. Big-tech lobbyism will have no difficulty to effect an update when they can present genuine improvements. Will a solo player be able to use their own tech instead of USB-C? No, but that’s the price to pay for interoperability. It’s a trade-off.

so if Apple comes up with a better interface that might have a BOM of $1 instead of 20 cents, I as an Apple user will be held back because the Android OEM that is selling $50 unsubsidized phones doesn’t want it?

Do you think that's likely?

I don't.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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so if Apple comes up with a better interface that might have a BOM of $1 instead of 20 cents, I as an Apple user will be held back because the Android OEM that is selling $50 unsubsidized phones doesn’t want it?

Do you think that's likely? I don't.

They came up with lightning when Android phones were using micro USB…

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Do you think that's likely? I don't.

They came up with lightning when Android phones were using micro USB…

Yes, and? The usb forum knew at the time that they needed a replacement for micro USB, even if they were being slow about it.

Do you think it is likely now, based on the current state of connectors?

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They came up with lightning when Android phones were using micro USB…

Yes, and? The usb forum knew at the time that they needed a replacement for micro USB, even if they were being slow about it. Do you think it is likely now , based on the current state of connectors?

The EU wanted to force Apple to include micro USB. But you kind oh made my point, the regulators were going to force a substandard port on iPhone users

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Yes, and? The usb forum knew at the time that they needed a replacement for micro USB, even if they were being slow about it. Do you think it is likely now , based on the current state of connectors?

The EU wanted to force Apple to include micro USB. But you kind oh made my point, the regulators were going to force a substandard port on iPhone users

If they had forced micro USB, it sure seems like it would have been updated to USB C.

But they didn't force it.

And I thought you were arguing about the current law, not complaining about something that was ten years ago and didn't happen.

And you still didn't answer my question.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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The EU wanted to force Apple to include micro USB. But you kind oh made my point, the regulators were going to force a substandard port on iPhone users

If they had forced micro USB, it sure seems like it would have been updated to USB C. But they didn't force it. And I thought you were arguing about the current law, not complaining about something that was ten years ago and didn't happen. And you still didn't answer my question.

How long would it have taken them? Could Apple just unilaterally changed without waiting years for the committee to decide?

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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>An iPhone that’s able to project something more like iPadOS (or, ideally, but not definitely wishful thinking on my part — macOS) when connected to a screen could easily replace a laptop for probably a significant portion of the population, including for casual computing, and for the work tasks of the bulk of the knowledge workforce. No, it wouldn't, because you'd need a display and input device(s) at your destinati…

> There's no need for the device's local storage when you're already syncing important documents to the cloud anyway Syncing to the cloud is a pain, requires an internet connection, etc. If I could just carry everything around on a personal device and leave the cloud as backup only I would love that.

It is possible to sync documents over the local network. Both Apple and Google have ways to connect devices without the Internet.

The fact that they haven’t done is good argument that it isn’t wanted. Partly cause the subset of people who work on planes and don’t pay for Internet is pretty small.

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