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Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by weatherlite »

smcl wrote: post #85
weatherlite wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are just very concerned when talking about Qatar, Doesn't seem like the sign of a good news org if you can't say a word of criticism about the country you're headquartered at. Makes me wonder what else is rotten in there, how can we know the rules of the country aren't dictating a bunch of other stuff to the news? News should be as independent as possible.

I mean FOX News and Newsmax are "as independent as possible" in that regard but they're both utter trash, so it's obviously more nuanced than that. Discarding Al Jazeera entirely because they can't/won't go hard on Qatari matters (which you can read anywhere else if you really care) is a bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, to me.

Could be that they're trash, don't follow them much. That still doesn't make Al-Jazeera not trash.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by weatherlite »

pydry wrote: post #89
weatherlite wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They made a shrine to a terrorist (Baruch Goldstein) Not sure what you're talking about here. Baruch Goldstein has no "shrine"* and besides fringe groups in Israel he is generally not accepted. Compare that with the monthly salaries Palestinian terrorists receive from the PLO and their rockstar status in Palestinian society. * he has a grave, Israeli law can't really prevent that. The Israeli government has ruined…

His grave, the shrine: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-jun-05-mn-56910... 10% of Israelis consider him a national hero, according to Israeli polls: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-733523 The Minister for National Security Ben Gvir had a portrait of Baruch in his living room: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir I'd encourage anybody who visits Israel to go and see Kiryat Arba in the we…

Most of his grave was ruined by the Israeli government, and you'll find no parliament members in Israel who publicly endorses Goldstein. None, not even the most radical right extremists in the current government. Privately some radical Israeli politicians like Itamar Ben Gvir probably like what Goldstein did but

a) they're in the minority

b) they're not giving any publicity to their private thoughts

Palestinian terrorists however get a rockstar status in Palestinian society including streets named after them and a monthly salary given by the PLO if they're imprisoned.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by jacooper »

actuator wrote: post #45
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are pretty much the equivalent to the BBC or CNN: a lot of it is alright, but they are still tools for their own gov propaganda. Because they are different govs, with different agendas, each of them see the propaganda of others as evil, but it's still all very much propaganda. Remember CNN diffused many bits on how WMD were in Irak to justify the war the UN voted against. The USA went to war anyway, and we learn…

> They are pretty much the equivalent to the BBC I am sorry, but they aren't. This is just false equivalence, you can just go read BBC's coverage of UK politics and you will see criticism of their government

Yeah thats not true.

All you have to do is just compare bbc coverage on palestine and ukraine.

The BBC is absolutely biased.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by trilbyglens »

throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

There's also a lot of wacky christian folklore that is very popular in evangelical America that has to do with Israel being involved in the "end days". Some nutjobs feel that a strong Israeli state will hasten the rapture or some nonsense like that. There are a good number of those folk in elected positions, but also the evangelical crowd is inordinately influential in US politics, so it weasels it's way into many different facets of policy making. It's just one aspect of a complex picture though.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by Paradigma11 »

ta2234234242 wrote: post #59
throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

> Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? Maybe go look up Jonathan Pollard. If Israel is our close friend, why would they need to spy on us? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard https://www.military.com/history/jonathan-pollard-was-one-of...

Same reason the US spies on all of its friends?

An actual reason I have heard is that it is as important to have independent information on your allies than it is on your enemies. Even if it is only for better coordination.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by smcl »

actuator wrote: post #87
smcl wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean FOX News and Newsmax are "as independent as possible" in that regard but they're both utter trash, so it's obviously more nuanced than that. Discarding Al Jazeera entirely because they can't/won't go hard on Qatari matters (which you can read anywhere else if you really care) is a bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, to me.

I think the problem is not that they won't criticise them, it shows that they lack editorial freedom, which means any coverage even if global matters coming from them should be looked at with suspicion, like what would be Qatar monarchy's view on this global issue

It is naive to think any news outlet shouldn't be regarded with any amount of suspicion. Bias exists everywhere, if you select a news source and blindly trust it you're going to be misled some day.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by kingwill101 »

actuator wrote: post #15

Not that it justifies the deletion, I wonder how a state sponsored propaganda outlet came to be regarded well among global audiences. It would be interesting to read up on what they have done to garner that image.

I always find it strange that Aljazeera gets so much hate. Their English coverage over the years IMO has been mostly unbiased and really stellar.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by arp242 »

dheavy wrote: post #92
throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

Lobbying? As a secular Jew in Western Europe, I've distanced myself from my religious community due to its insistence on tying my identity to Israel. Where I live, it's less taboo to critique Israel than in the U.S., but still tricky. Advocates of Israel's right-wing politics have blurred the line between criticizing Israel and anti-Semitism, an endeavor helped by actual anti-Semites. I've grown up with these support…

I was once "reported to ADL" for my anti-Semitism.

My horrid crime that made me literally Hitler?

Disagreement if a tag should be named "jews" or "judaism" on the Politics Stack Exchange site. I made an off-hand comment that I renamed the tag from "jews" to "judaism" and the very first response was that I had been "reported to the ADL" (whether they actually did: who knows? Probably not).

That such an incredibly boring, banal, and benign disagreement exploded in accusations of anti-Semitism so quickly has made me rather distrustful of these accusations in general unless I can verify things. Anti-Semitism is real, but so are narcissistic people abusing it to "win the argument". If you need to defend yourself with "but I'm not anti-Semitic!" then you've already kind of lost the argument, right?

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by jacooper »

actuator wrote: post #15

Not that it justifies the deletion, I wonder how a state sponsored propaganda outlet came to be regarded well among global audiences. It would be interesting to read up on what they have done to garner that image.

Its one of the highest rated news agencies in the world.

Just because it doesn't adopt you worldview doesn't mean its a propaganda outlet.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by tohnjitor »

mschuster91 wrote: post #13
aerodog wrote: post #2

X's spat with the ADL revealed how substantial their lobby power is. That ad revenue plunged 60% due to their prejudices (against Elon and his management) testifies to a strong hold they have on media of all types. I don't trust Meta to reverse their behaviors like this, which they have likely done many, many times.

> X's spat with the ADL revealed how substantial their lobby power is. Lol what? Advertisers literally pulled out because their ads showed up to actual Nazi, holocaust denying content. The ADL didn't (have to) do anything, the brands' brand safety teams did.

This opinion piece, written by an attorney who worked as an intern at ADL in the 1980s, agrees with Musk.

https://www.newsweek.com/adl-has-lost-its-way-elon-musk-righ...

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