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Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by colinsane »

71a54xd wrote: post #81

Linux groups like this are an absolute joke at this point - it's beyond a circus of political / virtue signaling that's metastasized to a point that it's basically a net negative to anyone actually trying to contribute or learn... I miss the early 2000's when hacker culture / defcon culture etc could exist on its on merits and wasn't coded by race, gender, politics or orientation...

i'd be curious to hear your experiences trying to contribute or learn about nixos with respect to this. what you're describing here i've never seen on the nixos PR or issue trackers, nor in the Matrix rooms. i don't spend much time on the nixos discourse though: are you having your threads derailed by ideological debate over there?

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by _kbh_ »

nailer wrote: post #83
KptMarchewa wrote: post #26

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Exactly. If NATO countries maintained cold war weapons and ammo stockpiles, the war would already be lost for russia. Instead we got unilateral demilitarization .

Ukraine disarmed their nuclear stockpile. Obviously Russia wouldn’t have invaded otherwise.

> Ukraine disarmed their nuclear stockpile. Obviously Russia wouldn’t have invaded otherwise.

They disarmed their nuclear stockpile and their long range strike capability under an international agreement where the largest players in the world made promises / guarantees to them.

My guess is that they suspected that Russia would actually follow them and not break it because they felt like it.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by sottol »

tomschlick wrote: post #89
sottol wrote: post #70

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Imo large parts of the southwest and CA benefit immensely from immigrant labor. Both in time-savings and $ (outsourcing upkeep, housework, child-care) which allow their population to consume more and pursue other opportunities. Also, would people pay 50% more, double or triple for fruit picked by Americans, meat packed by , those huge gardens and front yards maintained by, houses built by Americans. I think Florida a…

> Imo large parts of the southwest and CA benefit immensely from immigrant labor. I don't see anyone arguing against immigration here. We are arguing against illegal immigration / obvious abuse of the asylum system. If we can close the obvious holes in our border that are letting 200k people through a month, I'm very much in favor of granting more work visas to immigrants and starting the naturalization process.

My point is that many households have adapted to the cheap labor - larger houses, larger gardens and so on based, larger than the owner can self-suppprt, based on the cost of labor.

Owners would have to do more themselves (thus spend time) or more money (that they can't spend consuming other things) if labor costs increased.

I'm also not arguing for limitless immigration. What I'm trying to say is that there will probably not be zero illegal immigration despite what politicians promise, at this point it's baked into the (cost-)structure of society I suppose and not painlessly undone.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by doktrin »

master-lincoln wrote: post #67
dale_glass wrote: post #36

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I don't see what's the difference between "we skew hippy and/or libertarian" and "our particular flavour of cultural identity politics". Hippy and libertarian is a particular flavor of cultural identity politics.

According to wikipedia identity politics is defined as "... politics based on a particular identity, such as race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation, social background, social class." Which is not my association for Hippie politics or classic libertarian politics. Hippies in my head were known for proposing anti-materialistic lifestyle, less moral looking down on promiscuity, open to drug usage and an…

> Hippies in my head

Maybe this is part of the issue? You're comparing a contemporary social phenomenon through to one you've (probably) only learned about through history books, media and cultural osmosis.

> somehow I feel like in the US libertarians seem to be seen as left wing

That is the polar opposite of my "feeling", which is that US libertarians overwhelmingly skew right. Just look at the most prominent figures who self identify as such : The Pauls [Ron, Rand], Gary Johnson, Thomas Massie - all either current or former Republicans.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by FireBeyond »

totony wrote: post #90
FireBeyond wrote: post #51

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They’re not saying the company did anything wrong. Just deciding not to take their sponsorship money. I don’t think you should need to enact a new rule in order to decide not to accept money.

I don't think any non profit should ever refuse money. If they make money from something you disagree with, then taking that money and using it in the scope of your non-profit (which you agree with) is a moral imperative

I don't believe that. Being a non-profit is not inherently a moral stance. Your goal is to further your own efforts. That doesn't automatically require you to attempt to 'disadvantage' others (even if that is voluntary on their part).

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by joepie91_ »

mlindner wrote: post #98
jkachmar wrote: post #86

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extremely disappointing that y’all needed the venue to impose this decision. as said by a friend this morning: > i, personally, would not accept money from the company actively militarizing the southern US border but that's just me

> as said by a friend this morning: > > i, personally, would not accept money from the company actively militarizing the southern US border but that's just me Anduril is not "militarizing" the southern border. They're adding observation stations (funded by the Biden administration mind you) so that who is crossing the border illegally is known. There's no weapons on these things or something.

No, the weapons come later. The "observation stations" just determine who they will be pointed at. That's different, right?

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by mlindner »

joepie91_ wrote: post #106
mlindner wrote: post #98

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> as said by a friend this morning: > > i, personally, would not accept money from the company actively militarizing the southern US border but that's just me Anduril is not "militarizing" the southern border. They're adding observation stations (funded by the Biden administration mind you) so that who is crossing the border illegally is known. There's no weapons on these things or something.

No, the weapons come later. The "observation stations" just determine who they will be pointed at. That's different, right?

There is no contract to provide weapons on the border nor has any official stated they are interested in doing so. It's just pointless hyperbole.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by pxc »

mlindner wrote: post #107
joepie91_ wrote: post #106

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No, the weapons come later. The "observation stations" just determine who they will be pointed at. That's different, right?

There is no contract to provide weapons on the border nor has any official stated they are interested in doing so. It's just pointless hyperbole.

People die crossing the border trying to avoid those cameras, because it forces them through the most dangerous parts of the desert.

The same tech is deeply wrapped up in the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

It's absolutely absurd to pretend that the whole business of border enforcement tech is not stained with blood.

If you're interested in the relevant US history and why it's characterized as militarization and violence by those opposed to it, I recommend this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7861.No_One_Is_Illegal

(The book has a point of view and makes no apologies for that. But if you want to see why people who disagree with you see the US border and its enforcement the way they do, it will provide that for you.)

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by pxc »

orochimaaru wrote: post #93
Nullabillity wrote: post #73

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That's just hazing bullshit, "I went through this misery so you must, too!". You fix it by making the legal route less awful, not by intentionally inflicting even more suffering.

Are you a US citizen making this statement? If you are, then you don’t know the scale of social spending that you will be hit with if that legal route for that comes to pass. Either way, I can’t see any progress on immigration reform. It’s not happening, unless the flow at the border stops or reduces significantly.

Undocumented immigrants in the US already pay taxes today. Their employers pay into the tax system and the undocumented workers never get any of it back, unlike citizen taxpayers.

The idea that immigrants are a net cost in terms of social services is nonsense.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by boffinAudio »

busterarm wrote: post #29
boffinAudio wrote: post #8

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War happens when the other party things that they can defeat you without too great a cost. Developing weapons for your country is anti-war too.

Nonsense. Developing diplomacy for your nation is anti-war.

But we know that diplomatic corps don't get even a pittance of the funding that the warrior hordes do ..

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