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Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Post by throwaway290 »

IKantRead wrote: post #39
DemocracyFTW2 wrote: post #25

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> Said to be a Chinese proverb Unlikely, cf. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/12/29/plant-tree/ There's an old Chinese proverb for this, it goes "most of the time it's not a Chinese proverb". Ah, words of sages, the wisdom of ages.

Thank you for pointing this out! I have quite a few Chinese friends and they never cease to be entertained by the long list of "Chinese" proverbs that American's claim to know. It turns out that since for most of Western history China was synonymous with the "mysterious far east", it become common practice to just tack on "Chinese" to the origin of any saying to let it exotic credibility. Unsurprisingly "May you live…

That's not just west. Aladdin is from "China" in original texts too.

Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Post by c1sc0 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #80
derefr wrote: post #47

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Putting up a geosynchronous mirrored-foil tarp that shadows the entirety of one of earth's larger deserts would take about the same amount of effort — and be much easier to reverse if it turns out to be a bad idea.

I think the important part here is you could do the aerosol injection secretly. It's pretty much impossible to launch a rocket to geosync orbit without a major government getting involved in your business.

This has been studied in pretty extensive detail & what I remember is that it’d require a custom plane design to get to efficiencies where this is worth pursuing. And the number of flights required would be hard to hide from a motivated government adversary. Still worth pursuing. Any takers on here?

Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Post by c1sc0 »

_most wrote: post #94

How do people here feel about geoengineering? Seems like we have a pretty good tool to counteract the warming effects (although not the ocean acidification affects) with SO2. Not sure why it's not taken seriously.

I’m all in. It’s clear that none of our governments are up to the task of taking on this global coordination problem. The science is clear by now, so let the engineers take over & do what they do best: solve the damn problem.

Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Post by bgirard »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #97
bgirard wrote: post #90

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It's not a great analogy. The possible downsides to breaking before a car are slim. The downside to immediately stopping burning fossil fuels are huge including disrupting the global economy, life critical heating/cooling in cold/warm climates and basically modern life globally. We could barely lock down for a pandemic. Imagine telling someone (or entire winter cities) they will likely freeze to death today to reduce…

> The downside to immediately stopping burning fossil fuels are huge including disrupting the global economy, life critical heating/cooling in cold/warm climates and basically modern life globally. That's why I said that's not an option. Stopping fossil fuels would be the same as stopping the car instantaneously - it would be a brand new car crash.

> That's why I said that's not an option.

>> but I'd argue it's still the right call and will rarely make the situation worse.

That statement confused me. I don't understand your position then.

Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Post by dahston »

phkahler wrote: post #43
lebuffon wrote: post #34

I just heard about a jump in atmospheric methane that is not understood. The oil/gas industry has made some progress to curtail methane emissions so we don't think it is that gang. I wonder about millions of tons of frozen ancient vegetation in Canada and Russia beginning to rot. ? One idea is that we have hit the true "terminus" point of the past ice age and temperatures will rise rapidly over the next few decades a…

>> No one knows the amount of thought I put into this same problem when building train tracks for my son but I had no idea how to solve the problem. My opinion is that it will rise until we reach a tipping point where changes happen that will lead to the next glaciation. IMHO there will be at least a few years where odd things happen and then the modeling folks will say "oh crap this is going to happen". Stalling of…

Is this a bug or mistake,? Quoted content is from another thread I saw on here about tension in duplo train tracks

Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Post by edgyquant »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #75
edgyquant wrote: post #57

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There is not a “decent amount of confidence” and your CNN link provides no proof that there’s any at all outside of a sentence claiming tree rings and coral mean it may be. There is so much disinformation (from both sides) and fear mongering about this subject that anything not a direct and peer reviewed source should not be taken as any kind of proof of anything.

To portray this as a "both sides" problem is to wildly misunderstand the scientific discourse, or mistake it for the political one.

I just said that a vague CNN article isn’t scientific proof of anything. Who’s mixing up science and politics again?

Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin

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Post by edgyquant »

mrguyorama wrote: post #84
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #75

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To portray this as a "both sides" problem is to wildly misunderstand the scientific discourse, or mistake it for the political one.

The american right desperately want this to be a political fight so they can continue to ignore and profit from it for another few decades while they all die off and not have to worry about the consequences

Nice projection, you’re just spitting word for word political nonsense which is unrelated to a single thing I said. CNN saying that there is proof this is the hottest day in 120,000 years isn’t scientific and linking to them doing so isn’t an act of engaging in science. I think maybe it’s you who has gotten so caught up in a political fight you’re convinced you aren’t taking part it one.
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