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Re: AI Crap

#101

Post by rvz »

hoseja wrote: post #6

>...AI companies will continue to generate waste and CO2 emissions at a huge scale... Oh come on.

It is true. It is totally wasteful and it wastes lots of water as well [0].

Even before that, there aren't any efficient methods of training, inference and fine-tuning available today that are viable alternatives in the field of deep learning, especially after a decade of existing.

Drew's point still stands, unchallenged.

[0] https://gizmodo.com/chatgpt-ai-water-185000-gallons-training...

Re: AI Crap

#102

Post by the_other »

brabel wrote: post #86
andai wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>bias towards speaking to a human on the phone Hatred of phone calls aside, I heard an interesting take from Alex Hormozi (paraphrased): "You're on the phone and you say, are you human? No? Oh thank God, because you know the AI has a thousand times more experience than all the humans combined."

I think that's a point a lot of people are missing. If AI can already talk about certain topics better than most humans, imagine in the future. There may be a time when talking to humans may become really underwhelming compared to all-knowing AIs.

The AI will have more experience composing bullshit put-offs, but even less access to the systems that control the systems that are exhibiting problems customers currently experience. We'll see the problem of layered customer-service (where the first two layers have no power, other than to maybe turn on some pre-configured bonus/offset/coupon) made worse by further automation.

Re: AI Crap

#103

Post by phero_cnstrcts »

fineline wrote: post #57
danpalmer wrote: post #7

As with much of this author's content this is a strong opinion that lacks nuance, but I basically agree with the fundamental assertion: that the lasting impact of this AI bubble will be to further centralise power, taking it away from workers. My hope is that a desire for authenticity prevents this from happening – whether that's a strong bias towards human content creators, towards speaking to a human on the phone f…

I just switched my banking from the largest national institution in Australia to a local credit union and another bank that has always had an online/phone only model and is good at it. I get the best combination of human customer service and good value accounts and leave behind the abysmal contempt for customer service demonstrated by the major, with all its infuriating new AI mediocrity. I can't be the only one?

I even go as far as not doing the self checkout at the supermarkets. But In the end I don’t think it will make a difference.

Re: AI Crap

#104

Post by ArekDymalski »

nkrisc wrote: post #63
danpalmer wrote: post #7

As with much of this author's content this is a strong opinion that lacks nuance, but I basically agree with the fundamental assertion: that the lasting impact of this AI bubble will be to further centralise power, taking it away from workers. My hope is that a desire for authenticity prevents this from happening – whether that's a strong bias towards human content creators, towards speaking to a human on the phone f…

> Unfortunately, I suspect we will get a two-tiered system, where the "middle class" (whether that's disappearing is another question) can afford human content/human support/etc, and the working class are forced to endure poor experiences with AI generated content and so on I’m imagining world where companies like Netflix and Spotify introduce dirt-cheap subscription tiers that are populate with AI generated content,…

> If you’re poor you watch shitty, AI-generated movies on Netflix for $1.50/mo.

I suspect even worse scenario. If you're poor you watch shitty, ai-generated content for the current price. If you're persuaded to belive that you're middle class you cough up twice more to watch shitty, ai-generated content called premium becuase it will be "artisanely curated by humans (tm)". If you're really rich you will go to the theatre or opera.

Re: AI Crap

#105

Post by zimpenfish »

dagw wrote: post #83
krapp wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an argument in favor of more human doctors and teachers, not replacing doctors and teachers with software.

The richest countries in the world cannot even produce enough competent doctors and teachers to fill their current needs. A world that produces enough skilled human doctors to meet everyones needs is even more science fiction than a world with skilled AI doctors.

Speaking from one of the formerly rich countries (UK), we treat our doctors and teachers incredibly shabbily - long hours, low pay, terrible conditions. It's frankly a miracle that anyone over the last 15 years has gone into either profession.

Fix the low pay and terrible conditions and yeah, you'll easily produce enough doctors and teachers, but late-stage capitalism isn't going to do that...

Re: AI Crap

#106

Post by danleshem »

sph wrote: post #4

I am another AI pessimist. Can I please ask the optimists to list the good things LLMs can do for humanity as a whole ? I don't mean banal stuff like Copilot, which is a double-edged sword that might be used against junior developers. I mean world-changing benefits, one step closer to the techno-utopia. Because on paper, the net benefits vs net negatives, for me and other AI pessimists like the author, are not worth…

I think AI has the potential to level up the plain field.

Speaking from an entrepreneur's POV, AI gives me an unfair advantage with respect to the large whales. It lets us complete projects (specifically, software projects) 10 times faster and achieve things before I had to raise millions to achieve them.

I can't tell if the net negative/positive is + or -, but it's not clear-cut for sure.

Re: AI Crap

#107

Post by mort96 »

andai wrote: post #76
danpalmer wrote: post #7

As with much of this author's content this is a strong opinion that lacks nuance, but I basically agree with the fundamental assertion: that the lasting impact of this AI bubble will be to further centralise power, taking it away from workers. My hope is that a desire for authenticity prevents this from happening – whether that's a strong bias towards human content creators, towards speaking to a human on the phone f…

>bias towards speaking to a human on the phone Hatred of phone calls aside, I heard an interesting take from Alex Hormozi (paraphrased): "You're on the phone and you say, are you human? No? Oh thank God, because you know the AI has a thousand times more experience than all the humans combined."

Is that supposed to be a serious opinion about contemporary AI..?

Because that's crazy to me. Humans can be reasoned with. AI can't. My experience with the likes of ChatGPT tells me that if the AI is wrong about something (which it very very often is), there's no point trying to explain to it that it's wrong or how it's wrong, it will say something like "You are right, sorry for the confusion." and follow up with the same or a similar error again.

AI might eventually become an alright first line, but losing the option to speak with a human -- an intelligent entity which can actually be reasoned with -- seems dystopic.

Re: AI Crap

#108

Post by the_other »

brabel wrote: post #92
txutxu wrote: post #32

Not sure about creativity. But. Previously, I had to deal with "Junior python" or "Junior bash" crap at $work. Finding the dangerous bugs, was measured in seconds. Helping the person to be better in the future, used to work. Now, all the company is requesting code to ChatGPT. Hey, please, use my script. I have to deal with "looks fine at first/quick view" code, that needs deep analysis to understand what it's trying…

While I sympathize with your point, I found this passage funny: > code, that needs deep analysis to understand what it's trying to do Because if there's on thing AI can already do really well, it's explaining what some code is doing.

> Because if there's on thing AI can already do really well, it's explaining what some code is doing.

But it just makes up a series of words which sound good. It's accidentally correct 75% of the time and just wrong the other 25%. (and IMO, just wrong in some way almost every time I use it).

Re: AI Crap

#109

Post by Mordisquitos »

brabel wrote: post #86
andai wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>bias towards speaking to a human on the phone Hatred of phone calls aside, I heard an interesting take from Alex Hormozi (paraphrased): "You're on the phone and you say, are you human? No? Oh thank God, because you know the AI has a thousand times more experience than all the humans combined."

I think that's a point a lot of people are missing. If AI can already talk about certain topics better than most humans, imagine in the future. There may be a time when talking to humans may become really underwhelming compared to all-knowing AIs.

Why have all-knowing customer-support AIs waste their time and resources talking with underwhelming human customers such as myself? It would be much more efficient for customer support calls to be made by all-knowing personal assistant AIs, which can surely explain the nature of the problem much better than me, as well as being better able to infallibly put in practice whatever the all-knowing customer-support AI suggested.

Re: AI Crap

#110

Post by johndoe0815 »

nkrisc wrote: post #63
danpalmer wrote: post #7

As with much of this author's content this is a strong opinion that lacks nuance, but I basically agree with the fundamental assertion: that the lasting impact of this AI bubble will be to further centralise power, taking it away from workers. My hope is that a desire for authenticity prevents this from happening – whether that's a strong bias towards human content creators, towards speaking to a human on the phone f…

> Unfortunately, I suspect we will get a two-tiered system, where the "middle class" (whether that's disappearing is another question) can afford human content/human support/etc, and the working class are forced to endure poor experiences with AI generated content and so on I’m imagining world where companies like Netflix and Spotify introduce dirt-cheap subscription tiers that are populate with AI generated content,…

«The literature that the Ministry of Truth produced for the proles was of "a lower level," and consisted of "rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes [and] films oozing with sex."» [George Orwell, "1984"]
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