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Re: Phone.wtf

#101

Post by r0b1n »

uoaei wrote: post #52
r0b1n wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life is poorly designed. Kid had an accident, gotta go to the hospital? Of course that call is urgent. Even at work, there are things that really are urgent. But those shouldn't occur often, otherwise you would be right, poorly designed process.

So you call the ambulance...?

What do you mean? Yes, of course the ambulance might take the kid to the hospital. And then I'll follow the ambulance in my car to be there for my kid in the hospital. Or the kid has already been brought to the hospital. In any case, as a parent, I need to get that urgent call informing me about it, and I need to be there asap.

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#102

Post by bbarn »

uoaei wrote: post #92
bbarn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next time my wife calls me when she's crashed her bicycle and needs picking up I'll remind her to schedule it better.

If she needs medical attention, she should call an ambulance. If she doesn't, it's not urgent. If she has somewhere to be and didn't plan for a flat or other mechanical failure (as a result of a crash or something else), that process (schedule) was poorly designed.

Not really sure if you're just trolling here or not. I picked this specific example because it has happened more than once. There are plenty of ways my wife, who's actually tough as nails, has needed a ride home when crashing. Should she call an ambulance because she bent her wheel enough it can't be ridden, or should she be expected to carry a truing stand?

Also, many things aren't emergencies until they are. Having to walk home 20 miles in the desert when you can't push your bike isn't an emergency, until you've been out in exposure for 5 hours. The plan here is quite literally, everything is fine unless something happens, then my husband knows where I am and will come get me.

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#103

Post by gwbas1c »

donatj wrote: post #26

> No. Nothing is an urgency. False. There needs to be a break through "this is actually an emergency" way to get through silent mode. My wife keeps her phone silent at all times and on two separate occasions I have had actual emergencies and been unable to reach her. (A car crash where my car was totaled and a separate medical emergency) It's actually infuriating.

I think the point of "No. Nothing is an urgency" is for the kind of people who think that everything is an emergency; or who don't have the mental capacity to triage that their emergency is not my emergency.

I can think of many examples:

Around 2012-2014, there was an Amber Alert that went off in the SF Bay Area in the middle of the night. Almost everyone's phone went off. Although it was an emergency, there was no need to wake up a few million people.

More mundane: At an old job that used Teams, there was no way to silence groups that I wanted to follow, but didn't need alerts for.

Re: Phone.wtf

#104

Post by gwbas1c »

lucb1e wrote: post #30

If you pay for a phone number every month, those whom you gave the number can call you. Surprise!

It's a bit more complicated then that:

Some very inconsiderate people buy and sell phone numbers; who then call you to sell you things that you do not want. Often, you get repeated calls for these things. (I get many calls from people who "want to make me aware of solar panels," who seem to know where I live, but can't take the time to look at a satellite picture of my roof to see that it's covered in panels.)

(At least, this is a problem in the US. I don't know about your country.)

Furthermore, it's hard to go about life without a phone number. Interacting with various businesses and other organizations often requires a phone number.

I think the bigger problem is that some people just think they have the right to interrupt anyone at any time for any reason. It just doesn't scale, especially when it's easier and easier to make someone's phone ding for whatever trivial reason someone comes up with.

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#105

Post by maltalex »

uoaei wrote: post #99
jmye wrote: post #94

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This is a shockingly asocial response. I may not need an ambulance, but I may appreciate a ride home. I may get a flat and be unable to fix it, ten miles from home. I may go for a run and need a ride after I tweak my knee. My kid may get norovirus at school and need to be picked up and taken to the doctor. Trying to treat your life like a Jira ticket is slightly absurd. Pretending other people did something wrong bec…

Appreciating something doesn't make it urgent. Tweaking a knee requires somewhere to sit -- again, not urgent, because the ground is always an option. Kid got sick, unless they need medical attention beyond what the school nurse can provide, they can sit for a couple hours and be fine while they eat some snacks and re-up on OTC meds. Honestly it seems like you're really stretching the meaning of "urgent" for online b…

Urgent means something that requires immediate attention. It doesn't have to be a full blown emergency.

Neither family members nor friends have to be at an immediate risk of losing a limb before asking you for immediate attention.

Re: Phone.wtf

#106

Post by uoaei »

bbarn wrote: post #102
uoaei wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If she needs medical attention, she should call an ambulance. If she doesn't, it's not urgent. If she has somewhere to be and didn't plan for a flat or other mechanical failure (as a result of a crash or something else), that process (schedule) was poorly designed.

Not really sure if you're just trolling here or not. I picked this specific example because it has happened more than once. There are plenty of ways my wife, who's actually tough as nails, has needed a ride home when crashing. Should she call an ambulance because she bent her wheel enough it can't be ridden, or should she be expected to carry a truing stand? Also, many things aren't emergencies until they are. Having…

Ok, then your process involves being available on the phone and is irrelevant to this entire thread. Then why did you bring it up?

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#107

Post by uoaei »

maltalex wrote: post #105
uoaei wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appreciating something doesn't make it urgent. Tweaking a knee requires somewhere to sit -- again, not urgent, because the ground is always an option. Kid got sick, unless they need medical attention beyond what the school nurse can provide, they can sit for a couple hours and be fine while they eat some snacks and re-up on OTC meds. Honestly it seems like you're really stretching the meaning of "urgent" for online b…

Urgent means something that requires immediate attention. It doesn't have to be a full blown emergency. Neither family members nor friends have to be at an immediate risk of losing a limb before asking you for immediate attention.

Even with your definition of "requires immediate attention" none of the examples you've given really apply...

Sure they can ask, and if your intention is to be available on the phone the moment they ask then your examples are irrelevant to the entire thread, which is about not needing your phone except for things you deem of primary importance.

Re: Phone.wtf

#108

Post by maltalex »

uoaei wrote: post #107
maltalex wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Urgent means something that requires immediate attention. It doesn't have to be a full blown emergency. Neither family members nor friends have to be at an immediate risk of losing a limb before asking you for immediate attention.

Even with your definition of "requires immediate attention" none of the examples you've given really apply... Sure they can ask, and if your intention is to be available on the phone the moment they ask then your examples are irrelevant to the entire thread, which is about not needing your phone except for things you deem of primary importance.

It's not my definition. It's literally the definition of the word.

> Sure they can ask, and if your intention is to be available on the phone the moment they ask then your examples are irrelevant to the entire thread, which is about not needing your phone except for things you deem of primary importance.

The whole point I'm making (and please note that not all of the above replies are mine) is that everyone's lives contains unexpected elements which can become urgent under the right circumstances.

I can't imagine a life in which a call from a friend, family member, the authorities, or even a coworker can NEVER be urgent.

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#109

Post by dmonitor »

lucb1e wrote: post #80
dmonitor wrote: post #46

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> Discord chat if it's just casual messaging or pics It's interesting to me that discord has become a "default" for you. For my social group, discord is only used for people I only have an online presence with. If I want to do something IRL, I send an SMS or something.

Surprises me too. For decades, we had incremental improvements where more and more privacy and encryption was added to chat apps (e.g.: WhatsApp used to send messages in plain text, then added encryption to the server, then end to end encryption), and then Discord came along with none of that and all the gamers felt a need to use it. Eh? I was a gamer until just before Discord appeared but what ever happened to thing…

Discord's killer feature is the voice channels. The ability to join/leave the call easily is great. You don't have to ping people to get them into the call. You just hop in, and people can filter in/out as they please. It's very convenient.

Re: Phone.wtf

#110

Post by uoaei »

maltalex wrote: post #108
uoaei wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with your definition of "requires immediate attention" none of the examples you've given really apply... Sure they can ask, and if your intention is to be available on the phone the moment they ask then your examples are irrelevant to the entire thread, which is about not needing your phone except for things you deem of primary importance.

It's not my definition. It's literally the definition of the word. > Sure they can ask, and if your intention is to be available on the phone the moment they ask then your examples are irrelevant to the entire thread, which is about not needing your phone except for things you deem of primary importance. The whole point I'm making (and please note that not all of the above replies are mine) is that everyone's lives c…

Of course it can be, but then there should be ways (a "process", if you will) for them to reach you ("designed" to be responsive, so to speak). If you can't be reached when you want to be reached, your process is poorly designed.

At this point I can't feel otherwise but that you're putting words in my mouth to beat a straw man. I never advocated for anything even remotely related to a sentiment like "keep your phone off at all times and fuck everyone who asks for your help". If they're someone whom you would want to be available for, you should probably design a process that makes that possible. What I am saying is, unless you're licensed as rescue personnel or something similar, that call probably isn't as "urgent" as you seem to want it to be, regardless of the panic or anxiety which might exist.

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