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Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by StimDeck »

sangnoir wrote: post #71
GaggiX wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading the parent post I think he would believe that revenge porn is abusive material, because there is a person who is getting abused with the distribution of the content, the person didn't consent the distribution. CP is abusive because a child was abused in the creation of the content. The doubt that the author of the parent post has is (from what I understand): who is getting abused with the creation and distrib…

> Reading the parent post I think he would believe that revenge porn is abusive material, because there is a person who is getting abused with the distribution of the content, the person didn't consent the distribution So would it be okay to distribute "revenge porn" imagery after the subject has died?

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Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by kitanata »

Zuiii wrote: post #97
kitanata wrote: post #90

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I do not want to disentangle my name from my comments. I want to delete my comments. They are MY comments. I have a right to have them deleted.

If you're in the EU or are willing to stay in the EU for an extended time (>6 months?), then you may be able to compel them to delete the comments using EU laws. If they refuse, escalate and let the entirety of the EU take care of the rest. I get why hn is against deleting comments, and sure, make it really hard to delete comments if necessary, but you should honor the request of users who's unpaid contributions make…

Maybe this is the start of a movement here to get us our own GDPR?

You know what’s way more dangerous than me spamming this site with LLM hallucinations? Me walking into Congress with a fucking bill.

How far do you want this to go HN? Delete my comments and then delete my account or maybe I start talking to Senators. It’s a nice site you have here. It would a shame to see your data go “poof”, wouldn’t it?

You don’t delete my stuff? Maybe I just burn it all down in a nice fire led by Congress and a stroke of a pen. How would you like that?

(Also thank you for the support Zuiii. You’re alright with me. :) )

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by dragonwriter »

__loam wrote: post #65
dang wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.

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> I think it’s important to bring these points up ad nauseum on any discussions involving this technology

Yeah, hijacking and derailing every distantly-related discussion to your pet political issue has been recognized as bad netiquette since, at least, the early Usenet days, and its definitely not appropriate here. There is definitely an interesting and important discussion to be had about the practical, ethical, and legal issues around AI training and use, intellectual property, and the market for works of the types that models are trained on, but your overtly stated crusade to hijack all AI image generation conversations onto that topic is wildly inappropriate for this forum.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by fnordpiglet »

TillE wrote: post #33
tavavex wrote: post #18

Very exciting. The "first-generation" Stable Diffusion frontends seem to have settled on a specific design philosophy, so it's interesting to see new tools (like this or ComfyUI) shake up the way people work with this tool. I hope that in a few years, we'll know which philosophy works best.

Out of all the AI-related tools, generative art frontends are probably the thing most likely to radically change and improve in the next few years. It's specifically why I've avoided diving too deep into "prompt engineering", because the kind of incantations required today just aren't going to be the way most people interact with this stuff for very long.

At some level I agree that the prompt engineering done today to break ChatGPT guard rails are things that barely rise to “interesting hack” levels, but I think that manipulating language to induce specific behavior by an LLM is a powerful skill, and requires a very facile understanding of language in the semantic context of the training corpus. By varying the tone, vocabulary, style, pacing, and obviously the semantics of the original inducing language you can dramatically change the behavior of the LLM. This is less about prompt engineering and being a masterful manipulator of language - and why I don’t fear that LLMs make language skill irrelevant. Those with the most language skill will produce the most compelling and tailored LLM output for a purpose.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by tavavex »

ssalka wrote: post #46
tavavex wrote: post #18

Very exciting. The "first-generation" Stable Diffusion frontends seem to have settled on a specific design philosophy, so it's interesting to see new tools (like this or ComfyUI) shake up the way people work with this tool. I hope that in a few years, we'll know which philosophy works best.

I bet this will be available as an Automatic1111 extension by end of month.

I'm doubtful about that. A1111 is what I called a "first-generation frontend". Both it and all of its extensions follow a specific model for its usage - in general, every tool is contained on its own tab, with each tab having buttons to transfer the outputs into other tools. Radically changing this model would require rewriting so much that it'd just make sense to use a different frontend in the first place.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by cateye »

It makes more sense to embed stable diffusion capabilities into well-established image editors such as Gimp, Photoshop, Krita, or Figma, which come with layered, non-destructive functionalities, rather than attempting the opposite approach.

https://github.com/Interpause/auto-sd-paint-ext https://github.com/thndrbrrr/gimp-stable-boy https://www.magicbrushai.com/

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by chefandy »

TillE wrote: post #33
tavavex wrote: post #18

Very exciting. The "first-generation" Stable Diffusion frontends seem to have settled on a specific design philosophy, so it's interesting to see new tools (like this or ComfyUI) shake up the way people work with this tool. I hope that in a few years, we'll know which philosophy works best.

Out of all the AI-related tools, generative art frontends are probably the thing most likely to radically change and improve in the next few years. It's specifically why I've avoided diving too deep into "prompt engineering", because the kind of incantations required today just aren't going to be the way most people interact with this stuff for very long.

As a commercial artist that's worked in several professional creative industries, I find the current textual methods of interacting with generative image AI to be unusable for the vast majority of professional tasks. I think they're great for a lot of laypeople because they abstract away things that laypeople don't want to have to think about— but in professional workflows, you need specificity at pixel-level granularity, predictability, and repeatability. Those things are all difficult with purpose-built tools and impossible through text prompts. I haven't spoken to a single colleague that doesn't work in high-volume, low-effort end of their disks/fields that disagree. Most commercial artists selling point is deciding exactly what should go into a piece, and implementing it is the easy part.

The pro tools that have incorporated generative AI into their workflows are not at all textual. The environment that popularizes this among the general public will look a lot more like canva or maybe Instagram than what's popular now.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by DrSiemer »

fassssst wrote: post #98
tavavex wrote: post #18

Very exciting. The "first-generation" Stable Diffusion frontends seem to have settled on a specific design philosophy, so it's interesting to see new tools (like this or ComfyUI) shake up the way people work with this tool. I hope that in a few years, we'll know which philosophy works best.

Photoshop Beta does it best. The generative features are just new tools that work as you’d expect with all the existing tools. For example, if you want to do outpainting, just make your canvas bigger and you get a contextual menu where you can (optionally) type a prompt. Inpainting, just make a selection however you want and type a prompt.

The control that offers is extremely limited versus SD in A1111 with all it's different models, LoRA's, embeddings, extensions and ControlNet types.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by orbital-decay »

__loam wrote: post #65
dang wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.

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Consider that maybe, just maybe, you are in your own bubble, being blind to what is actually being done. Look at another comment in this thread. [1] Six guys produced 23 minutes of rotoscoping in a short time with just an experimental colab notebook, something not possible before. They made the concept art and transferred it to their live play. What did they steal as per your comment above? The concept of having a body, limbs, and a head?

Several styles in animation already converged to the same playbook to cut the production costs. They can massively benefit from this, as it enables things that were not possible before due to the high manual labor requirements. This is a major limiting factor.

Maybe, just maybe, the point about replacing the skilled artists with prompt-writing monkeys is moot, because this is an emerging highly technical creative field akin to 3D CGI and nobody is actually doing it like the panicking crowd with zero understanding likes to imagine? If anything, the industry is perfectly capable of exploiting underpaid labor and drowning itself in shit without using any AI.

Might it also be that the entire moral panic and the ethics angle was just a viral fluke of a twitter horde amplifying the info noise without giving it any thought or having a look into it?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37142433

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