I was hoping it's this https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/wikis/display/D... but unfortunatey we are not there yet
eSignature Beta for Google Docs and Google Drive
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#102What is the minimum required functionality to roll your own e-signature which would be LEGALLY BINDING under the e-sign act?
Seems all we need is:
Consent to do business electronically — All parties must agree to conduct transactions electronically, either explicitly or implied.
Intent to sign — E-signatures are only valid if the signer intended to sign. Signature requests need to be declinable.
Association of signature with the record — Signers must make a visible mark or statement on the e-document.
Attribution — Whether a name or a unique mark, the signature must be attributable to the person signing and only linked to them.
Record retention — Signed electronic documents must be saved, viewed, or printed by either party and stored for future reference.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Europe, including the UK and EEA, there is the eIDAS regulation, which outlines the requirement for eSignatures (amongst other things). In order for a signature to be recognised, it has to meet one of three trust levels 1. Electronic signature: this is basically something that puts a distinguishing mark on a file. 2. Advanced electronic signature: these use cryptography according to the specifications set out in t…
Ultimately where this matters is if one party contests the validity of a contract. I'm not sure how it works in the EU, but in the US that would mean a court would ultimately make that decision. To that end, they could decide that two people agreeing in an email thread is enough. It's all about your risk appetite. However, notice that Google has not said they are compliant with any regulation.
As far as I understand it is mostly relevant when the electronic signature is already explicitly required beforehand. For example some government projects might require a valid electronic signature on offers among a million other things. In this case the electronic signature isn't important because it is a signature, but because it is a requirement and missing any requirement can get your offer and even already signed contracts thrown out if a competitor catches wind of it.
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#104Will this be admissible in court of law ? I know docusign is. On what basis is it determined that particular signing tech is admissable
It varies by jurisdiction, but examples like this show that very little can be needed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/judge-ruled-thumbs-up-emoji-...
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently in Canada a thumbs up emoji is valid as a signature for a contract. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/06/canada-judge-t...
Not a signature, just that he accepted the deal. And note that he had accepted deals the same way before. Accepting the terms, just as a handshake, on a deal, can bind one.
It’s more than a handshake deal — they are making their mark on a contract. This stems from the time before wide literacy and the ability to write, where people would make an X mark on the paper. Sometimes neither party could not read the actual contract, which was written by scribes. So the emoji is a mark.
https://www.swanngalleries.com/news/autographs/2023/01/the-s...
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Europe, including the UK and EEA, there is the eIDAS regulation, which outlines the requirement for eSignatures (amongst other things). In order for a signature to be recognised, it has to meet one of three trust levels 1. Electronic signature: this is basically something that puts a distinguishing mark on a file. 2. Advanced electronic signature: these use cryptography according to the specifications set out in t…
what is the legal name for "monopoly company requires ID and location to view common document" ?
Capitalism.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
A great many of their killed products ended up being merged/evolved into other ones (Duo into Meet). A great many more weren't even "killed"; over the past 20 years their in-gmail chat program has evolved from Talk to Hangouts, and then from Hangouts to Chat. It has kept the same chat history throughout the past 20 years, but "killed by google" lists Talk and Hangouts as two killed products.
but the other part is even when they replace services the new one lacks the same features or ux that made the original special. inbox vs gmail play music vs youtube music
They certainly kill services, my point is the "Google Graveyard" is very overblown.
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#108For a tiny moment I thought this might be about making cryptographic signatures available to the masses. A sign that there’s still some good left in Google.
I should have known better.
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#109My ID card has a chip in it and can be used to sign documents. Why not support that?
Because their biggest markets do not? And it's a just announced, beta feature!
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#110Is this targeted for the US market or also the EU? Does this qualify as a an advanced electronic signature (AdES) under the eIDAS regulation?
I don’t have any inside info here, but anecdotally, Google seems good at meeting regulatory requirements. I wouldn’t be surprised if it does meet this if it’s available in the EU.
Being available doesn't mean it's considered legally valid. I can sign with the private key on my national id…