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GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by JohnFen »

Zetice wrote: post #98
JohnFen wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, whatever. I think you're more interested in picking a fight than engaging in a useful or interesting conversation.

I think you're dismissing what I'm saying because you don't have a good reason to disagree with it, but you find it important to ape the "pro privacy" line, as that's what you see others do online.

You haven't really said anything for me to dismiss. It looks to me that the only assertion of fact that you've made is "Computers are built these days mainly to talk to other computers", which I didn't comment on at all. I will here, though -- that assertion is untrue by being overly broad. Many are built with that in mind, but many are not.

Everything else you've said is asking me for details about my opinion and stating that you disagree with my opinions. Which is totally fair, but I'm not sure what response you expect from me about that aside from "I disagree".

> you find it important to ape the "pro privacy" line, as that's what you see others do online.

Another personal attack.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by JohnFen »

Zetice wrote: post #99
JohnFen wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's a vague, general distrust There's nothing vague or general about it. We have years of examples of how such data gets used. You may be fine with that, and that's OK. I don't understand why you get so upset that others aren't fine with it, though. Why is this so emotional for you?

Nothing emotional in what I write, just pointing out that you have precisely zero examples of how shared data from your car has been used to harm you specifically. It's not about what I'm fine with or not, it's about what you're posting on HN in advocacy of. You claim "years of examples" but you have literally nothing specific, because nothing specific to you exists. You fear new technology because it is unfamiliar t…

> precisely zero examples of how shared data from your car has been used to harm you specifically.

That might be because I never made such an assertion.

> You claim "years of examples" but you have literally nothing specific

I'm specifically referring to years of data collection by companies without consent. Typically for marketing or other monetization purposes.

> You fear new technology because it is unfamiliar to you, and that is the very definition of luddite.

Another personal attack. You don't know me. Everyone who does would be laughing at how ridiculous this assertion is. I very strongly embrace new technology (and the tech we're talking about here isn't actually all that new) and I'm very familiar with it. I even develop some of it. My house, my car, and even what I carry with me is riddled with high tech stuff. I am the opposite of a luddite.

You're making a whole lot of incorrect assumptions about me here. And it's odd that you do, because it would be so easy to talk to me about what I'm actually saying rather than building a straw man representing me in your mind so you can attack it.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by Zetice »

JohnFen wrote: post #101
Zetice wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're dismissing what I'm saying because you don't have a good reason to disagree with it, but you find it important to ape the "pro privacy" line, as that's what you see others do online.

You haven't really said anything for me to dismiss. It looks to me that the only assertion of fact that you've made is "Computers are built these days mainly to talk to other computers", which I didn't comment on at all. I will here, though -- that assertion is untrue by being overly broad. Many are built with that in mind, but many are not. Everything else you've said is asking me for details about my opinion and st…

...and I'm the one just here to argue?

This is your ~60th comment on HN today. Maybe take a break, go outside, touch some grass. Not one thing you wrote here is reflective of the conversation you and I were having.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by Zetice »

JohnFen wrote: post #102
Zetice wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing emotional in what I write, just pointing out that you have precisely zero examples of how shared data from your car has been used to harm you specifically. It's not about what I'm fine with or not, it's about what you're posting on HN in advocacy of. You claim "years of examples" but you have literally nothing specific, because nothing specific to you exists. You fear new technology because it is unfamiliar t…

> precisely zero examples of how shared data from your car has been used to harm you specifically. That might be because I never made such an assertion. > You claim "years of examples" but you have literally nothing specific I'm specifically referring to years of data collection by companies without consent. Typically for marketing or other monetization purposes. > You fear new technology because it is unfamiliar to…

Once I see someone plucking individual phrases out of context and replying only to them, I tend to get pretty skeptical of their intent. When I see words like "straw man" and "personal attack", it validates that skepticism, doubly so when those concepts are poorly applied.

Your mental health will improve once you log off of this site for the day. I highly recommend it.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by csdvrx »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #97
csdvrx wrote: post #87

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> Then, you're also not buying an EV it sounds like Then I won't? Instead, for a fraction of the price I may get a nice second hand muscle car, with no feature I don't want to be present. It may even have an old school CD player, I like retro :)

That's great, but this thread is about something else entirely. No one at GM (or anywhere else, apparently) can make recurring revenue from you, so your needs and interests will be even less relevant to automakers than those of the rest of us. Sucks, but that's how things are shaping up. Too late for the proverbial pebbles to vote.

> your needs and interests will be even less relevant to automakers than those of the rest of us

It's more of a want than a need. Otherwise, I agree, but not being able to buy an EV was presented as a bad thing?

There are fewer alternatives than I'd like, but there're still plenty to get the basic "car" need satisfied with my special "no phone use required" preference.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by AwaAwa »

outside1234 wrote: post #32
belval wrote: post #21

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> “Our research indicates that with the right mix of compelling offerings, customers are willing to spend $135 per month on average for products and services,” said Wexler. Assuming this is not a maintenance contract, who in their right mind will spend 135$ per month on "products and services" for their car?

Nobody I think the CEO's gambit here is that she can keep the reality distortion field up long enough to land $100-150M in compensation by waving hands and saying the word AI.

This is the cross industry playbook, and I'm really tired of it.
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