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Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#101

This headline is clickbait. The issue is banks not preserving records, something that the rules are ABUNDANTLY clear on.

... and the records couldn't be preserved if the employees are using Signal and WhatsApp?

Correct. Neither Signal nor WhatsApp is integrated into any corporate messaging system, so the communication flowing through those apps, is neither archived nor discoverable.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#102
post #38

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The weird step for me is the expansion of regulatory authority from published memos, to all written communication like texts and chats. I get it and don't really object to the end result, but it seems like the law should be updated to match what society desires to be regulated, rather than just relying on a generous interpretation by regulators.

I wonder if handwritten notes, post-its, or marks on whiteboards are also subject to regulatory authority.

Yes they are, if you haven't taken care of keeping them out of sight of unauthorised other persons.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#103
post #25

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It's a bit weird that even though they can communicate person-to-person, where records won't be kept, they are supposed to keep records of electronic communication.

Well, it's incredibly hard to scale fraud only through person-to-person communications. It's not impossible, but think about the scale that online communication would allow.

Now I understand why some of the banks wanted people back in the office as soon as possible. Trying to support their commercial real estate bags is likely another.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#104
post #25

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AFAIK you are allowed to use any channel as long as you preserve records of the conversation. However, meeting the standards for preservation is quite difficult, which is why employees of financial institutions are generally told not to communicate outside person-to-person, or channels vetted by their company (and lawyers thereof).

It's a bit weird that even though they can communicate person-to-person, where records won't be kept, they are supposed to keep records of electronic communication.

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Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#105
post #85

"We are pleased to resolve this matter" Nobody should ever be "pleased" with knowingly breaking the law. When will we ever get serious about law enforcement for this type of crime?

Using WhatApp is not a "crime". There were no laws broken. This is just some regulators giving out fines because they can't spy on employee's private messages.

If bureaucrats were on my ass about something so stupid, I would be very pleased once the matter was resolved.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#106
post #21

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Why risk lying about something like this? It makes no business sense, and I can't imagine the Facebook employees being so loyal as not to spill the beans here.

I am still waiting for someone to explain me why you can forward medias (image or videos) in whatsapp to new recipients without uploading it again completely if those images and videos are encrypted with the public keys of your recipients. Since the forward is instantaneous and not involve a reupload, it looks to me the files are cached on the servers. If the recipient can see thee files and they are encrypted, it me…

Consider the following:

You encrypt and upload the media to the storage server.

You share the download URL and key with person #1

Now how long would it take to forward that same message with the url and key to person #2...n?

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am still waiting for someone to explain me why you can forward medias (image or videos) in whatsapp to new recipients without uploading it again completely if those images and videos are encrypted with the public keys of your recipients. Since the forward is instantaneous and not involve a reupload, it looks to me the files are cached on the servers. If the recipient can see thee files and they are encrypted, it me…

Consider the following: You encrypt and upload the media to the storage server. You share the download URL and key with person #1 Now how long would it take to forward that same message with the url and key to person #2...n?

Are you saying they would be using symmetric encryption?

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#108
post #85

"We are pleased to resolve this matter" Nobody should ever be "pleased" with knowingly breaking the law. When will we ever get serious about law enforcement for this type of crime?

Using WhatApp is not a "crime". There were no laws broken. This is just some regulators giving out fines because they can't spy on employee's private messages. If bureaucrats were on my ass about something so stupid, I would be very pleased once the matter was resolved.

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Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#109
post #85

"We are pleased to resolve this matter" Nobody should ever be "pleased" with knowingly breaking the law. When will we ever get serious about law enforcement for this type of crime?

Using WhatApp is not a "crime". There were no laws broken. This is just some regulators giving out fines because they can't spy on employee's private messages. If bureaucrats were on my ass about something so stupid, I would be very pleased once the matter was resolved.

It's a rule that upon being broken allows the SEC to fine you, which is why they are paying a bunch of money.

Are you saying that we should not be able to require banks of a certain size to keep records, so that the highway patrol officers of finance can economically pull you over when you're speeding? Or should we allow everyone to use fuzzbusters effectively making the law pointless?

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