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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by coolliquidcode »

version_five wrote: post #75

I found the right wing media blocks interesting. I wondered if that was in response to getting search spammed by them or some "principal". Because I don't think I've ever seen Fox News or Breitbart in search results anyway. Same comment for CNN and wapo that I see are also there. Maybe I'd dont search current events enough, they all seem like odd things to block to me.

Fox News is the same level of journalism as guardian, verge and nytimes. As well as Wapo and CNN. I guess people are choosing to be in a bubble of the trash they like. Maybe because they don't know the billionaires that own the other media they think they are decent news sources.

Other surprising trash to me is people want to see: rtings.com and goodreads.com.

I really tried hard with Goodreads and never found good book recommendations there.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by rascul »

nonethewiser wrote: post #90
andirk wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It often outranks MDN official docs which these days are very readable, in-depth, with examples, and a simple UI and the only time I click to inappropriately named W3Schools is by accident because it's the top result and I'm expecting MDN and then I click back and that's why I don't like it.

Nothing about that makes w3 a poor source. I get why you block it - so MDN is shown first. That’s fair. Im just saying its not a fault of W3. Because I tend to agree with that guy. W3 really isnt bad. A bit simplistic, and MDN is better, but its not bad.

> Nothing about that makes w3 a poor source.

I'm sure you meant w3schools but w3.org is where a lot of the official documentation for web technologies is and not affiliated with w3schools.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by sp0rk »

jart wrote: post #91
wlesieutre wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has blown my mind for years the extent to which the Google Image Search team let Pinterest completely undermine the usefulness of their product, and they just kept on giving pinterest the top search result spots. It's honestly more useless than the pages with a list of 1000 phone numbers that you get when you try to search for who an unknown number is. Does anyone even work on Google Image Search? Is it run by a b…

I'm honestly surprised by all the Pinterest hate because I don't think I've ever once, not a single time, left clicked a Google Image Search result. It's like drinking from the dead. You just don't do it.

>I don't think I've ever once, not a single time, left clicked a Google Image Search result. It's like drinking from the dead. You just don't do it.

You just don't do it according to whom? I would consider viewing the fullsize image to be core functionality for an image search, and it used to work just fine on GIS up until a few years ago.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by lxm »

amelius wrote: post #31

Google: we need to have your personal information because that allows us to provide you with a better experience. Me: Ok, please block these domains: "pinterest.com, w3schools.com, ..." Google: Sorry, can't do that!

Comedian Phil Wang has this joke about Netflix not recommending him his eponymous show the day it was released.

“I am Phil Wang! There’s nothing on Netflix more relevant to me than an hour of my own thoughts!”

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/netflix-is-a-daily-joke/phil-...

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by abtinf »

Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits.

I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing.

If they octupled the price tomorrow, I would murmur an expletive under my breath, then thank god that they didn’t choose to go down the path of fucking me over by materially changing the business model to adtech, and continue paying them.

I am actually not sure what at what price point I’d drop the service. I’d probably start looking at canceling less used subscriptions first. Another shitty Gal Gadot Netflix movie has negative marginal value for me.

If you haven’t tried it for an extended time and used its core features, then you don’t get it and no one can explain it to you. “Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is.”

Edit to add: this is search we are talking about. It is literally your entry point to the world’s entire body of knowledge and ultimately affects your decisions and actions both daily and over the long term. And nearly everyone is perfectly happy to let it be run by companies that make more money when they lead you astray to click bait, hot take, content farm, and AI generated sites. Garbage in, garbage out, both in software and the knowledge you depend on to live a thriving life.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by lotsoweiners »

nonethewiser wrote: post #90
andirk wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It often outranks MDN official docs which these days are very readable, in-depth, with examples, and a simple UI and the only time I click to inappropriately named W3Schools is by accident because it's the top result and I'm expecting MDN and then I click back and that's why I don't like it.

Nothing about that makes w3 a poor source. I get why you block it - so MDN is shown first. That’s fair. Im just saying its not a fault of W3. Because I tend to agree with that guy. W3 really isnt bad. A bit simplistic, and MDN is better, but its not bad.

Yeah the simplicity is what I prefer about W3schools. A lot of times I want a quick code example and don’t really want to go in depth about how something works.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by alex_lav »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #83
LeoPanthera wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...BBC? Ars Technica? ...KQED and VOA? You're blocking discussion of some of the most reliably factual reporting on the planet.

shrugs I don't really feel the need to defend the contents of that list. If the resulting conversations suck, aren't relevant to me, and clog up the HN front page - in they go.

There's something uniquely social-media-y about a person posting a list of websites they don't enjoy the contents of or discussion around, and then posting that they've filtered them out in a way that only impacts them, and then that person getting questioned and challenged on their filtering.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by slaughtr »

OJFord wrote: post #38
sockaddr wrote: post #20

Ok wow, seeing these lists might have just made a customer out of me. I’ve been vaguely aware of Kagi and know the general premise but this made it real.

Similarly, I had no idea about this feature, but I now know I want it... I think I just need it to be cheaper, maybe $5 unlimited (or enough for me, which I think is certainly higher than 300, probably higher than 1000, at least without behaviour change) and I'd be in I assume it's a bit chicken and egg - marginal costs of new customers/extra searches is relatively low, it's the crawling & development/SRE that's expe…

I was worried about the 1000 search limit, and it has so far (since beta) proven not to be a problem. I use Kagi for all my searches on all machines and my phone and average 800 or so a month. I haven’t modified my behavior at all, and consider myself a heavy search engine user.

I have a theory that I would actually need to do twice as many searches with Google or DuckDuckGo or whatever, since the SEO spam would force me to do more term refinement. With far less of that (and a tiny tiny bit of settings tuning) I get better results much quicker. I’d test it but I have a job to do and can’t swallow the idea of going back to how bad the other viable options really are.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by arealaccount »

Tried out a few searches that I’ve recently struggled with on both DDG and Google, very impressed. Seems worth it, especially if I can get a license through work.

I wonder how they will keep their results shielded from SEO spam if they hit a critical mass.

Presumably Google would love to have useful results beneath all their ads, but can’t seem to win over all of the “organic” blogs.

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