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Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by whimsicalism »

epolanski wrote: post #92
eldaisfish wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is literally illegal to gather race or ethnicity based data in Europe. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/france-and-ger...

Yeah, seems racist, why do it? Never understood the fixation in US of breaking every stat by ethnicity or skin color.

Because to identify discrimination, you need to measure it.

Without taking these stats, the Jim Crow South suddenly looks like an even-handed application of voting tests.

e: I will say, the number of comments I get from European commentators favoring the “putting your hands in front of your eyes” approach when it comes to racism in Europe does make it completely unsurprising how non-diverse their C-suite is as well as why they have difficulty attracting high-skilled immigrant talent.

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Post by whimsicalism »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #91
eldaisfish wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is literally illegal to gather race or ethnicity based data in Europe. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/france-and-ger...

Where in that article does it say it's illegal to gather ethnical data in the EU? You're talking nonsense, I lived in 2 EU countries and government had ethnical data on citizens. From where I read the article, it it says the contrary, Germany has racism and discrimination on the labor and housing market, but it can't be proven because it gathers no data. So having no data actually makes the problem worse since racism…

It says that efforts to collect discrimination data in France are viewed as unconstitutional, verbatim in the article. Clearly, at minimum, collecting this data is not easy in many european countries.

> I lived in 2 EU countries and government had ethnical data on citizens.

Could you provide that data for France? I never said it was true of all EU countries.

e: Actually, reading your comment I am left a little confused - aren’t your latter paragraphs the exact point I am making?

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Post by hot_gril »

dublinben wrote: post #97
mlinhares wrote: post #36

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That's 100% NOT how to enter an Ivy League college, there's a lot of preparation, planning and "tips and tricks" you get by hiring people specialized in "college applications" to get there. The odds you'll get to an Ivy League college without help from college admission consultants and careful planning is pretty close to 0.

That may be the case for undistinguished applicants with no particular outstanding qualities who need to set themselves apart from the rest of the crowd. Everyone I know who attended an Ivy came from an underrepresented background of one kind or another, and got in simply on their credentials.

If you're from the right background then sure. Asian or Mid Eastern (so like the entire largest continent) isn't going to help you, though.

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Post by fuklief »

dustincoates wrote: post #29
throwawayadvsec wrote: post #22

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The US are a younger country and it's full of immigrants/children of immigrants. Most of the money here is old money. There are dozens of implicit rules. In France having a teacher as a parent is a better indicator of whether you'll get into a top school than being rich. Because you have to know all the tricks in the book to get anywhere. From my POV getting into Ivy League seems as simple as getting a high SAT, appl…

As an immigrant to France who wants my kids to succeed… how do I learn these paths?

- Make them good at science, i.e., Maths and Physics.

- Get them into a decent high school, e.g., Henri 4 or Louis Le Grand in Paris.

- Hope they have good grades and manage to get into a good preparatory class [1], e.g., Henri 4, Louis Le Grand in Paris, or Hoche and Sainte-Geneniève in Versailles.

- Make sure they don't slack off, and hope they get into a good engineer school, e.g., Ecole Polytechnique, Ecole des Mines, Ecole Nationale des Ponts et Chaussés, CentraleSupelec.

(Lists are not exhaustive)

If they manage to get into one of these schools, they will most likely end up not have any difficulty to find a somewhat well-paid job in France.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_pr%C3%A9paratoire_aux_g...

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Post by patmorgan23 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #96
dragonwriter wrote: post #49

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> From my POV getting into Ivy League seems as simple as getting a high SAT, applying, getting approved for a loan. Your POV is simply, factually, wrong; more people get high SATs and apply to the Ivy League schools than they can admit by a wide margin, and there are a lot of tricks (many of which leverage accidents of birth, wealth, and social circle) beyond that which go to getting to the top of the list. The bigge…

For the hyperrich, setting aside 10 or 20 admissions for "idiots who bring new science buildings with them" seems to benefit literally everyone at the school.

The Ivy's all have multi-billion dollar endowments. They should go without a single donor dollar for a generation and be fine And even expand.

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by ilikehurdles »

bakuninsbart wrote: post #23
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

The wiki does a bad job of clarifying what the relationship is (wth does "first cousin once removed" even mean?). Here's a family tree: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-f... Still, I always loved how immigrants to the US always ended up in high level positions, starting or leading top US companies, something that never/rarely happens here in Europe where maintaining the status quo and the "n…

I think a major difference, at least to my country, Germany, is that in the US the university you graduate from has an outsized influence on your career potential, especially when it comes to senior positions at large companies. On the contrary, here in Germany these positions are usually filled through either familial connections or company-internal mentorships. Board members and C-suite often have been with the com…

I think you’re half right. In the US, the university you graduate from has not that much influence in most career paths. For jobs expecting post-graduate education, then it starts to matter a whole lot. Matching into specific medical schools and law schools can have an immense impact on the respective careers. Tech jobs don’t fall into those buckets.

You are right about this being different:

> On the contrary, here in Germany these positions are usually filled through either familial connections or company-internal mentorships.

Some government jobs are notoriously products of nepotism and inbreeding, but private industry is, in my experience, invested in recruiting the best candidates available to them.

It’s hard to explain in a comment, and it’s easy for locals to take it for granted, but private industry in the US incentivizes speculation (risk-taking). It feeds into how we start companies, how and when we invest, where we live, our liquid financial markets, and I think we idealize hiring not from academic titles or genes but from merit. This idea that we settle on the same things for the 30 years is somewhat antithetical to that.

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by riffic »

Jenk wrote: post #98
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

The wiki does a bad job of clarifying what the relationship is (wth does "first cousin once removed" even mean?). Here's a family tree: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-f... Still, I always loved how immigrants to the US always ended up in high level positions, starting or leading top US companies, something that never/rarely happens here in Europe where maintaining the status quo and the "n…

> wth does "first cousin once removed" even mean? It is using a very well established (i.e., has been used for a long time) terminology to describe familial relationships. The "first" refers to how many horizontal genealogy lines are crossed (self -> sibling -> first cousin -> second cousin -> etc.) the "once" refers to the vertical, so the "first cousin once removed" refers to either your cousin's parent or child, a…

I was going to reply with a similar explanation but then upon a reread it seemed like a flippant remark that didn't seem like an earnest inquiry.

do people just not know how to Google things these days?

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