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At least Europeans put the currency sign after the number. If a dev cannot be United States centric and condescending, I'm not sure of their worth as an engineer.
The discussion is specifically about American salaries, so yes, the position of the dollar sign matters when someone is trying to brag about the quality of their work.
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I haven't heard of Graphite. But yeah, Inkscape, Gimp, Dark Table, Blender, etc. World class programs. There's no need for this.
"Let's invest money to continue enhancing existing solutions, which are free and open for all" sounds just so much less exciting than "we are going to end Adobe with $235k from our backers".
I was excited for a second but that video really is for suckers. It looks like they didn't work on the product yet at all.
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> other nations have many talented developers Yes there are other nations that have talented developers. But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.…
> I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, I hate this crap. Some of the absolute worst code I've seen in my career was written by US programmers working out of tech hubs, as is some of the best code. > But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. You're assuming that all "genuinely talent…
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> I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, I hate this crap. Some of the absolute worst code I've seen in my career was written by US programmers working out of tech hubs, as is some of the best code. > But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. You're assuming that all "genuinely talent…
We were all that crappy developer at some point…
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> And I think you would find, if you are lucky, that a competent European junior-ish developer would not get out of bed for less than 60k Euros (65k USD), a more senior developer would demand more. That's a very much extreme statement I think you confabulated. Take this developer median data from back in 2020 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1222324/developers-media... and reanalyze your statement. And also compar…
Are you actually in Europe? You won't get qualified devs for much less than 60k around here. Especially since that is the amount of money people expect on their payslips before taxes. On top of that employers have to pay additional stuff, that won't even make it on the payslip, like parts of the health insurance which are not considered to be parts of the compensation. Quick Example from Austria: * Cost to Employer 7…
I'm actually in Europe, and EU, but not Schengen (thank you Austria & Netherland governments for the veto vote).
> You won't get qualified devs for much less than 60k around here.
The ridiculous claim was about juniors that won't even approach the job for less than 60k, and I took that information that I found first with a Google search to illustrate that 60k euros is more than the average salary in most EU countries.
Of course you could share more precise numbers from one of your national institutions that reports this information, but on the website listed the monthly average gross salary stated for Austria is around 4540, which comes to 54480 a year.
I could count on one hand the number of junior developers I've encountered that I would call exceptional, and deserving an average salary right from the get-go.
Important: This is not VC funding. This is a Kickstarter project [1]. Honestly, this feels like a scam. Their logo and name is stupidly similar to Adobe which would obviously result in trademark lawsuit. I think they are just scrounging up money from the Kickstarter and will just disappear after a while. [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/culturehustle/abode-a-s...
You could have read the whole article, then you wouldn't have missed this paragraph: "The other, perhaps more urgent issue is the threat of Adobe’s legal department. The marketing and branding of the software looked a little too on the nose for the multi-billion dollar company to ignore. Semple says he’s ready should Adobe decide to flex its legal muscle. “I have lawyers, and I’ve taken advice. We have solid plans in…
https://hypebeast.com/2023/7/stuart-semple-barbiest-pink-mat...
I assume this is the Mattel reference.
Trademark disputes can be won by just not competing in the trademark realm. If Mattel is protective of toys that are a certain pink and you release paint that color they won't/can't come after you.
Bringing out software that is a direct competitor while using a marking similar isn't just harder, it is effectively what trademark was designed to prevent.
Unless you can win a lawsuit where Adobe says "people assumed it was a cheaper version of my normal product made by me" you will lose in court.
Honestly my view is also someone fleccing given the whole Ventablack story being him making a mountain out of a molehill when a manufacturer gave one artist access to avoid having to work with a ton of people on a distraction from their usual work.
Additionally wouldn't GIMP and other open source tooling be good enough if Adobe tools could be cloned for a year's Salary of a Senior Engineer plus overhead?
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There is this romantic notion that the huge company gets it all wrong and a couple of guys in a garage with the right approach can dethrone them. The Apple story all over again. This success story is actually exceedingly rare in practice despite how much we like it. But Abode isn't even that. They appear to want to create what Adobe creates, but with a small team. Something many other companies have failed to do with…
Everyone misses that Adobe is not whatever software they are selling, they are that and a modern 16 deck luxury cruise ship completely loaded with marketing professionals. It's not only the software that has to be beat but that gargantuan marketing machine. It's that marketing machine that wins software battles these days - it sure ain't the software, as too much of it is not what the marketing claims.
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Exceptionally unproductive? What are you on about? Could they make larger swings? Sure. Are they exceptionally unproductive? Compared to whom? They dominate pretty much all market segments they're in. For example, they took on Apple, after a grudge, and won (Apple had something to do with that too). AI showed up, Adobe is pretty much the only major established player that put it in consumer hands ASAP and in a way th…
> Compared to whom? - Procreate - Figma - Blender - Maxon - Davinchi - Autodesk - Stability Honestly hard to name a company in the space shipping less than Adobe.
- procreate - yes, I agree. They do compete there and procreate is iPad only. Pricing is what sets them apart and Adobe being a bit stupid there
- Figma - yes and it's Adobe now.
- Blender and Maxon are in different space. Unless you consider Blender's subpar video capabilities and Maxon's buying of video plugins (for Adobe programs). Also, Maxon.. come on, talking about stale. C4D "light" is also part of After Effects.
- Blackmagic is in hardware business. Their Fusion (bought) is stale af. AVID might be a better comparison.
- Autodesk - only overlap is between Flame and Lustre. Flame is in another space where they don't compete and Lustre has been stale (just like Adobe's CC offerings, seems both ceeded to free DaVinci Resolve)
- Stability - look at how wonderfully Adobe actually did put out AI and integrated it well with Photoshop!