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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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And who is the arbiter of what’s highly likely? You? I? Jumping to conclusions without evidence is lynch mentality. But maybe people are ok with that.

You, I and everyone else and when enough people operate on highly likely’s, we stop being as interested in the why. For good reason, too. People like Musk will expect us to look at each action with a clean pair of eyes, and use it to stall or confuse the masses. I’m sure lynch mentality is more involved and includes other motivations such as wanting to kill somebody. You’re taking things a bit too far.

When someone is known to fabricate or exaggerate, a sensible recourse is be default skeptical of what they say. That isn't the same as to be default unskeptical of what their opponents say.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Free speech is the most fragile principle of liberty. It readily makes hypocrites out of most of its strongest defenders.

This problem is not unique to free speech. Whoever is in power doesn't see why they should follow a principle their opponents violated when they were in power, except that then no one follows the principle and everyone is worse off for it. It's no different for privacy or due process or free association. This is why we try to put these things in constitutions for governments, and build decentralized systems with no b…

That is true, but the principle of speech is violated by everyday individuals with no power who espouse such values.

You could say it is simply a derivative of the mindset that nearly everyone holds "liberty for me, but not for thee". We just tend to ignore or think it is irrelevant when nobody holds power.

Yes, Elon and X can never be taken seriously on free speech without a pivot towards decentralization. What is happening with X is precisely the opposite. The "everything" app only provides opportunity for more control which will result in less freedom inevitably.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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When did he do that?

There are several instances of left wing folks being banned, he stated that "cis" will be disallowed on the platform, he's removed tweets at the behest of governments like the Saudis, and this post is literally about text disappearing, lol. It's not hard to find instances. Note, I think it's fine for companies to moderate speech on their platforms. No objections there. Just don't simultaneously claim you are some sor…

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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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To be fair, that twitter context post is almost entirely useless. Comparing the risk of myocarditis from vaccines to the risk of myocarditis from actually getting covid is not a helpful comparison. Generally speaking, everyone is going to get covid whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed. So the question is whether adding vaccines into the mix REDUCES the overall myocarditis risk or increases it. In other words (Covid inf…

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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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There have been numerous studies showing that omicron severity is very likely equivalent to prior strains. The decrease in serious illness is due to prior immunity and vaccination. Though it’s obviously a hard thing to prove either way. But certainly I do not think it should be assumed that omicron is inherently more mild.

Can you provide some citations? My understanding is that omicron and prior strains have fundamentally different effects especially wrt synctia formation.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article-abstract/doi/10...

Here is recent, high quality one, but there are many more (and some with conflicting results - but to my eye the best studies all point to similar conclusions).

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Removing it on Musk's orders wouldn't be foul play anyway. He owns the business. He can decide how it operates, including preferential treatment for himself.

But it would be hypocrisy. Which is great for stirring up a mob because people are rightly contemptuous of it, but then mobs don't always care for demanding strong evidence first, which can be a problem.

Is Musk a hypocrite? Sure, anybody who's been paying attention already knows this. It's completely unsurprising that he would grant himself special powers on the platform he owns.

Whether he actually did in this case hardly matters. Twitter/X is Musk's toy and he's going to play with it in whatever way pleases him.

One should already bake into their perception of Twitter/X an expectation that Musk will use it for his own ideological purposes, and weigh their trust in the platform accordingly.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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But that doesn't change whether you are endangering people by infecting them.

I'm not sure what you are trying to point out here. Vaccinations were a matter of public health. Vaccines did not prevent infections, but they prevented severe illness. The healthcare system was collapsing under the pressure from hundreds of thousands of patients suffering from severe illness. This would put any other people seeking for care at risk, since they could not get it . Since vaccinations would prevent seve…

The original post claimed that by not being vaccinated you would "free to endanger everyone around them with a deadly crippling virus at all times". Not "endanger them via some 3rd party route if a hypothetical hospital was too busy at that time.".

You are arguing against a straw man of your own invention.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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We should at least acknowledge the "trolley" problem here. You have two bad choices: join the marines or live in poverty. The US has a "volunteer" force but "volunteer" is a stretched euphemism in my mind. There aren't many people with options "volunteering" for the marines. Obligatory "I'm pro vaccine".

By this logic people are also forced to work for Uber/Amazon/other exploitative employers of low-skill labor. This undermines many arguments against unionization, treating "gig" workers as employees, or in favour of "right to work" laws. Yet the political leanings of those opposed to vaccination are often anti-union, pro "right to work", etc. So this doesn't help illuminate what they mean by "forced", unless this is…

People can absolutely be "forced", "coerced", or "compelled" into doing something with no understanding on how to stop it. Or perhaps they do understand how to stop it but don't want the trade-offs a potential solution implies.

Either way, the coercion in the equation is constant. And that doesn't have to be a bad thing. But it is something we can acknowledge and then determine if X degree of coercion for Y outcome was moral, valid, justifiable, etc. But the coercion existed regardless of our conclusion of its utility.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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But it would be hypocrisy. Which is great for stirring up a mob because people are rightly contemptuous of it, but then mobs don't always care for demanding strong evidence first, which can be a problem.

Is Musk a hypocrite? Sure, anybody who's been paying attention already knows this. It's completely unsurprising that he would grant himself special powers on the platform he owns. Whether he actually did in this case hardly matters. Twitter/X is Musk's toy and he's going to play with it in whatever way pleases him. One should already bake into their perception of Twitter/X an expectation that Musk will use it for his…

> Is Musk a hypocrite? Sure, anybody who's been paying attention already knows this.

Musk is an infamous controversial figure. To find out if he's a hypocrite, or more of a hypocrite than the average rando, you would need some evidence. But because he's an infamous controversial figure, it's easy to find a mountain of unsubstantiated innuendo. The volume of it tells you nothing except that he has a lot of critics. To know anything you would have to look at specific examples.

This one doesn't seem strong.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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I'm not sure what you are trying to point out here. Vaccinations were a matter of public health. Vaccines did not prevent infections, but they prevented severe illness. The healthcare system was collapsing under the pressure from hundreds of thousands of patients suffering from severe illness. This would put any other people seeking for care at risk, since they could not get it . Since vaccinations would prevent seve…

The original post claimed that by not being vaccinated you would "free to endanger everyone around them with a deadly crippling virus at all times". Not "endanger them via some 3rd party route if a hypothetical hospital was too busy at that time.". You are arguing against a straw man of your own invention.

> Not "endanger them via some 3rd party route if a hypothetical hospital was too busy at that time.".

It seems that you aren't aware of the precarious situation of the healthcare system during the pandemic. Either that, or you like to move goalposts.

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