The web stopped being open when W3C accepted EME. Now that effectively Google IS the web, they don't even have fake attempting to convince anybody and will just turn the web into another proprietary technology.
Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium
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#102I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…
Yeah, financial and social pressure is basically the only weapons we have against corporations when regulations don't exist. And honestly, financial pressure doesn't work at this scale or in this case.
Yes, but this will be an uphill battle. Every campaign must be financed, so every politician must effectively be vetted by monied interests. The same monied interests that we see here on a strategic offensive against the rest of us. Regulators will tend to be sympathetic to them, not us, until things get really bad.
Is EFF still the place to send money?
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#103Apple would be in the position to fight this.
All of the major tech companies are in on this. Google and Apple already deployed it for their phone and desktop platforms (iOS, Android, macOS, ChromeOS, all support attestation already). Microsoft is getting there with Windows 11, and all new devices shipping since ~2015 have the hardware support. Google is now closing the gap on desktop browsers.
Soon the percentage of people supporting it will be high enough to make it mandatory - the last 5% can just get a new device or something like that. They'll do it when their bank website tells them so.
The day Cloudflare flips the switch to require it for all connections is the day the open web dies.
Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium
#104maybe it's their IE6 moment.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Wait until your bank requires you to use it to pay your bills and tax preparation websites require it to pay for taxes.
My former business bank actually did this. They insisted their web app "was compatible with all modern browsers, but more compatible with Chrome" - I couldn't make transfers to other accounts with Firefox, it just hung indefinitely.
Virgin Money, UK - https://uk.virginmoney.com/
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#106One of the proposals for WEI is to make it probabilistically fail. Ie. on a given device, for 10% of websites, WEI pretends to be unsupported. That means websites can't deny service where WEI is unsupported. Yet it still allows statistical analysis across bulk user accounts. If WEI was implemented like this, I would support it as being good for the web ecosystem.
That’s a silly proposal that will eventually be turned off as it causes issues. Users will complain that sometime websites are broken for no reason and the first proposed fix would be to turn the failure probability to zero. Then the zero failure setting will become the default.
Also if Netflix or Twitter decide to require device authentication they can give you an error message and instruct you how to turn the holdback feature off
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#107Apple would be in the position to fight this.
apple is one of the bad guys before the bad guys know they're bad guys..they already implemented this stuff
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#108Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium
#109One of the proposals for WEI is to make it probabilistically fail. Ie. on a given device, for 10% of websites, WEI pretends to be unsupported. That means websites can't deny service where WEI is unsupported. Yet it still allows statistical analysis across bulk user accounts. If WEI was implemented like this, I would support it as being good for the web ecosystem.
Workaround: check WEI across 4 domains, P(failure) = 0.000001%
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#110And also, to switch back to Firefox
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