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Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

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Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#101

For me the mainspace for discussing computer related stuff is still Reddit. /r/pcmasterrace still has 8 million members and /r/buildapc has 6 million. The viewer counts for these subreddits have only increased even in recent months. HN still has excellent discussions whether its Ask HN or links Was there a problem that begged asking the question in the first place?

Even the most obscure technical subreddits (such as bikewrench) are now reduced to users posting a photo and asking "how to fix" or "what is this". Reddit is a dumpster fire and barreling fast to its death. Quality of discussion is abysmal.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#102
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What part of this is different from HN as it is?

Too many HN comments nowadays are a) dumb jokes b) disinformation that it would take too much effort to correct kindly. In the old days those comments were corrected harshly and that kept the community quality high (both because it kept the discussion more accurate at first order, and because it drove away users who couldn't take their lumps). Nowadays they are not corrected at all.

Add the third type please:

finding any reasons to contradict to parent commentor and win the arguments at any costs.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#103
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Centralized social media is the reason why we're in the mess we're in right now. Eventually, someone will come up with an effective way to navigate decentralized social media. It will likely mirror what Google did for Web 1.0.

All federated systems will be centralized. Once you get a way to navigate federated things, the navigation becomes the core of the experience. The crux of the internet experience is that Quantity is a quality in itself. Once the navigation window becomes core, and handles the highest volumes, it’s easier to streamline monetary rewards to a single place. Federated communities that work better with whatever navigator/w…

You can replace the centralized navigation system in a federated system if it becomes necessary. But that is not possible in a centralized social media system. Everything is permanently centralized in that system.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#104

I have the same problem too. To me, Hacker News has the best demographics for such discussions (more mature, less recurring jokes, and more importantly most of people here are in good faith), BUT discussion type threads are very unpopular here compared to news-based thread: you can barely get any replies.

Maybe it's a sign the folks with HN demographics are not into discussions?

These are the same people (I believe) who discusses post on Reddit or Twitter. I'd rather think that it is because UX, algorithms or other thing which is not related to whether locals are into or not into discussions.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#105
post #88
post #26

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Too many HN comments nowadays are a) dumb jokes b) disinformation that it would take too much effort to correct kindly. In the old days those comments were corrected harshly and that kept the community quality high (both because it kept the discussion more accurate at first order, and because it drove away users who couldn't take their lumps). Nowadays they are not corrected at all.

This is the problem with voting based social media. A demographic can be entirely supplanted by another really quickly. All you need is for the new demographic to upvote themselves, and the pre-existing demographic to not downvote the other demographic. Pre-existing users will start leaving when they see the content they originally came there for being outcompeted by the content the new demographic has introduced, ca…

Tildes may be an interesting testing ground as a forum without downvote. It has Labels instead for marking less constructive comments, like Joke, Noise, Malice, etc.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#106

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What part of this is different from HN as it is?

I don't think of HN as a place to initiate a discussion or ask a question. I've contributed two items which never got any visibility or responses. But, I'm fine with contributing to a thread that makes it to the first few pages if I think I have something to say.

HN isn't a good place for discussion in my opinion due to the (explicitly allowed) practice of downvoting comments you don't agree with.

If you'll be penalized for saying something people disagree with, you won't say it, or you'll say it and I'll be downvoted until it's hidden. This leads to HN threads usually being dominated with a few majority opinions and any real discussion being killed-off or buried.

This is basically the same as Reddit. If you want real discussion you often need to sort by controversial.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#107

> So where do you go when you want to geek out? This may be a pessimistic take, but computer stuff I believe has lost the allure that it once had, and here is why I think so: At one point, computer stuff meant being a hacker, having the hacker ethic, which personally to me translated into figuring out how stuff worked and putting it together to do something useful. And, "something useful" to me meant creating somethi…

I am from enterprise background, where 80-90% of the works is simply supporting the existing infrastructure. Any successful technology after adoption becomes "mundane" as you can't always write code or build new products, you have to support them too.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#108

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Same. At first I was skeptical but whereas HN, Lobsters, etc are mostly baseless opining (mine included) and hot takes, there are discords where they have more signal than the infotainment I enjoy on HN. I’m in a few where people regularly group-read research papers, help each other understand them, etc. I enjoy HN very much, and I still feel uneasy about the ephemeral format of chat, walled gardens and all that, but…

Any discords you're willing to share?

Karpathy's Zero to Hero Discord is super friendly. Yannic Kilcher's is also cool and seems more active. I like the paper discussions, but it also has more meme-tier antics. This computer vision one is decent: https://discord.gg/MqbXfSG2Wm

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#109
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I don't think it's an activity level issue. When dang took over he made an explicit shift to prioritizing kindness, with predictable results.

dang has a different style than pg did but I really don't think that's the issue. The site is big now and has absorbed a lot of people fleeing Reddit and Twitter and they've brought that culture with them. dang's moderation has continuously been evenhanded and well applied. The site has changed despite his efforts, IMO.

I hope this doesn't sound like 'sucking up' because it's certainly not intended to be that, but I have been continually impressed at how good a moderator dang is. And more than moderation, he also 'curates' the site well, often adding links to when the subject or even the same article has been discussed before, etc.

But moderation of a popular forum is a Sisyphean task, and worse, it seems that gravity increases over time in this form of the task, making rolling the ball up the hill increasingly hard and not just endless. That sounds bleak but I think the solution is that eventually all forums must be abandoned, however good they once were, and new places found. I expect this to happen with HN eventually too, even though it's had a pretty good run so far.

Re: Where do you discuss computer related stuff now?

#110

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HN is good, but a little too much politics topics for my taste, but yes, not for nothing I am here. I was talking about my ideal (utopia) forum which will never happen. Now I am still on reddit for 3 subs and HN and lobsters.

Are you ok to share those 3 subs on reddit?

Sure

- r/programminglanguages - r/lisp - r/functionalprogramming

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