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Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by judge2020 »

saqadri wrote: post #96

Just today I was forced by Docusign to pay $45/user/mo in order to continue using the service for a single document I had to send out for signatures. Seeing this pop up on HN right after feels really nice. The cloud-hosted version seems to be very simple to use, so nice job on this. Like some of the other comments pointed out, the key element here is trust -- in the 3rd-party platform collecting signatures, and in th…

DocuSign is free for 3 signatures a month - did you need more or were you using more advanced features?

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by wintermutestwin »

dcu wrote: post #14
jstummbillig wrote: post #2

Sweet! The SaaS pricing in this space is insane. Will look into it.

have you looked at zapsign.co? it's a good UX and it's not too expensive

I just tried it out and it was totally unintuitive how to add fields to a PDF. I tried to chat with support, but it wants you to use WhatsApp. (?!) Then I went to their youtube channel to see if I could see a walk through and every video is in Spanish. I guess they aren't interested in other geos like the US.

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by snapplebobapple »

ooterness wrote: post #95
dboreham wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only someone would invent a public nonrepudiatable ledger.

Like a chain of blocks? Where each block is signed by adding a prefix that produces an increasingly difficult hash?

someone should combine a chain of blocks for identity management with one for financial transactions/tokens and one for signature attestation. We could call it the cube chain and usher in web 4.0.....

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by wintermutestwin »

judge2020 wrote: post #101
saqadri wrote: post #96

Just today I was forced by Docusign to pay $45/user/mo in order to continue using the service for a single document I had to send out for signatures. Seeing this pop up on HN right after feels really nice. The cloud-hosted version seems to be very simple to use, so nice job on this. Like some of the other comments pointed out, the key element here is trust -- in the 3rd-party platform collecting signatures, and in th…

DocuSign is free for 3 signatures a month - did you need more or were you using more advanced features?

https://www.docusign.com/plans-and-pricing

Looks like it is $10/mo for 5. I don't see free...

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

#105

Post by awinter-py »

supermatt wrote: post #33

The way a system like docusign works is that it is a (trusted) independent third party that will verify that the owner of email address X is the one that "signed" the specific version of an agreement. By self-hosting, you have access to the infrastructure and can manipulate it to your will. There is no proof that the counterparty signed anything - you could just manipulate it to say they did. This potential for misus…

I mean both parties have an email receipt (but then why not just use email)

I think the infrastructure need here is extensible messaging. There are a lot of multiparty flows with notification and recordkeeping requirements

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by somery »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #94
wintermutestwin wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am involved with two nonprofits that need to have an easy way to get many non-technical people to sign a document. Each is paying for their own DocuSign account. The thing is, they only need to do 6-12 documents per year each, so the cost per document is insane. Testing it now with fingers crossed and hoping that the cloud version sticks around.

Darn. I created a document, setup the info for three sigs, added the recipients emails and then it was unclear how to push it out. I guessed at "Submit it yourself," which required me to add my email so I used the first recipient's and then it opens the doc for me to fill out. It asks for full name and then when I submit, "next" just keeps spinning. FWIW, I am running FireFox with UBO, etc. This is really important t…

The emails are automatically sent to the recipients after you submit the modal window to add them (there should be 'SENT' status displayed next to their emails)

Regarding the form issue - it looks like some js client side bug - i'll try to investigate this.

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by judge2020 »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #104
judge2020 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DocuSign is free for 3 signatures a month - did you need more or were you using more advanced features?

https://www.docusign.com/plans-and-pricing Looks like it is $10/mo for 5. I don't see free...

They don't advertise it, but if you start the trial then cancel, it'll downgrade you to the free plan. The features are limited - you have to upload every time and recreate the fields every time, but it works for occasional use.

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by somery »

_ea1k wrote: post #56
supermatt wrote: post #33

The way a system like docusign works is that it is a (trusted) independent third party that will verify that the owner of email address X is the one that "signed" the specific version of an agreement. By self-hosting, you have access to the infrastructure and can manipulate it to your will. There is no proof that the counterparty signed anything - you could just manipulate it to say they did. This potential for misus…

I do wonder about that for self-hosting a service like this. But how often do actual disputes arise between parties as to whether a document was actually signed or fraudulently altered? TBH, even a contract rests on a certain amount of trust between the involved parties.

When selfhosting it - it's possible to connect AWS S3 to store the documents - AWS with S3 logs could be used as a source of trust to ensure the documents are not altered.

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by lesuorac »

mc32 wrote: post #90
lesuorac wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That argument is much harder to assert with something like DocuSign because it is unlikely DocuSign would put their business on the line to fake someone's signature. This seems like the claim that the USG will be unlikely to put it's Military on the line so they won't leak any tank designs on discord. Happy to concede that the CEO of DocuSign wouldn't do this but surely some 15$/h employee doesn't have that same op…

The support person should not have that kind of access without auditability and traceability. Even Sundar should not be able to log into a console and read your emails either.

Sure but that's a different argument than the one presented above.

Re: Docuseal: Open-source DocuSign alternative

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Post by croes »

_ea1k wrote: post #56
supermatt wrote: post #33

The way a system like docusign works is that it is a (trusted) independent third party that will verify that the owner of email address X is the one that "signed" the specific version of an agreement. By self-hosting, you have access to the infrastructure and can manipulate it to your will. There is no proof that the counterparty signed anything - you could just manipulate it to say they did. This potential for misus…

I do wonder about that for self-hosting a service like this. But how often do actual disputes arise between parties as to whether a document was actually signed or fraudulently altered? TBH, even a contract rests on a certain amount of trust between the involved parties.

It's not about how often but about if a dispute arises. If in that case the signature can't be trusted why signing in the first place?
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