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Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#101

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Why compare it to a smaller computer with no expandability with pricing that is unavailable to a huge majority of consumers?

Apple doesn’t verify that purchases from the educational store are from students it’s honor system. Those prices are available to everyone, in small quantities. Sit the 15 inch MBA next to the 16 inch MBP and the screens look identical. Performance wise the M2 w unified memory crushes X86 systems across the benchmarks at half the power budget.

> Sit the 15 inch MBA next to the 16 inch MBP and the screens look identical.

No, they do not.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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On previous generations I think it's decent. The main annoyances are that when I touch the glass a certain way I can feel a scratch or divot, and the pressure it takes to click varies based on where you click. Overall I think the hardware is great, my complaints are mostly with software/firmware/BIOS. My biggest complaints are with battery life, especially during standby. Framework has been working on a fix since 202…

Battery life is probably my biggest reservation. The fact the MBP/MBA has 20 hrs of USAGE is unbeatable still. How is the power suspend? I had huge issues with Linux laptops, if I left it unplugged, the battery would drain 10% a day where it seems like a couple % on MacOS

Similar... I lose about 10%/day when the laptop is asleep. Some flavors of Linux easily transition to hibernate (which has much lower drain) if the laptop is asleep for a while, but I haven't gotten that to work in Fedora.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#103

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that's based on your compression and what you're transferring, so it depends on your definition of "high" (ie- cost, likely to exceed an "unlimited" plan, etc). I haven't exceeded 1GB/mo on cellular in over a year, but I also have easy access to wifi.

Thanks! I was skeptical, but I took the time to actually compare Framework, Macbook and custom remote workstation on these metrics: battery life, security against theft and accidents, high speed networking, upgradability, repairability, compatibility (eg. external Nvidia GPU, coreboot), offline use, performance and weight. Remote won on every metric (has no single drawback) except offline use, which is not a problem…

Closed the tab on the original, better response. Sigh.

I don't use usbip, but it's an easy setup. I do use kvm/libvirt. Tailscale didn't exist when I built everything, but the documentation is excellent, and I could replace most of this with similar convenience.

Everything I'm mentioning here is locally hosted.

I connect via either wireguard or Unifi Teleport, depending on which network is needed. Wireguard connects to guacamole which manages connections to more secure core services, controllers, and shares. Unifi Teleport allows easy access to surface services like a book server, IOT, NVR, webuis, APIs, etc.

Chrome remote desktop is much more convenient than I expected, and I use it to connect to friends' systems or to hop onto graphical instances that I don't care to set up lasting connections to.

My three primary nodes are for GPGPU compute, "big" jobs, and storage. I've removed most IPMI/IPKVM to allow more flexible consolidation and upgrades. My "OOBM" is now UPS with remote power plugs with always-on BIOS settings. Once things gracefully halt, I can kill power if/until needed (my downtimes are all planned, but I reserve the capability).

I've greatly simplified over the past half decade so I can focus more on using than administrating, and while I haven't removed all of it, I try hard not to create environments more complicated than I can understand after not being touched for a few months.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! I was skeptical, but I took the time to actually compare Framework, Macbook and custom remote workstation on these metrics: battery life, security against theft and accidents, high speed networking, upgradability, repairability, compatibility (eg. external Nvidia GPU, coreboot), offline use, performance and weight. Remote won on every metric (has no single drawback) except offline use, which is not a problem…

Closed the tab on the original, better response. Sigh. I don't use usbip, but it's an easy setup. I do use kvm/libvirt. Tailscale didn't exist when I built everything, but the documentation is excellent, and I could replace most of this with similar convenience. Everything I'm mentioning here is locally hosted. I connect via either wireguard or Unifi Teleport, depending on which network is needed. Wireguard connects…

Thanks, that was one deep rabbit hole of a reply! I did not think things would be this complicated. I'm happy to hear some things for which I've intended to roll my own solution with my RPis already exist. I took my notes, I appreciate you!
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