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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by hunter2_ »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #46
hunter2_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but I'm trying to grok the essence of the technological measure being used by YouTube. I have to imagine that merely offering terms of service doesn't constitute a technological measure, and nor would merely slicing up the response in a DASH-like manner [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_ove...

Well... here's the dumb thing. The DASH-like manner (or, "rolling cipher" as they like to call it) has currently held up as being an effective protection measure. It comes up all the time when RIAA in particular sues YouTube stream-rippers. https://torrentfreak.com/deciphering-youtubes-rolling-cypher...

Very interesting. I feel like any type of digital storage or transmission format (PCM audio formats like CD Audio, packet switched networks like Internet Protocol, etc.) could also be described thusly, given that a typical human can't readily consume it. We use a tool that parses it using some algorithm, not a tool that avoids/breaks the algorithm. The error correction of a CD or the sequence number of a packet surely rolls way more rapidly than those DASH slices, too. Are those more common formats also considered effective access controls, since humans have severe difficulty interacting with them without the help of a tool?

Granted, I suppose the difference there is that the creators of those formats/protocols did publish the spec, whereas YouTube didn't. Or did they, though? The JavaScript that YouTube serves is the instruction for parsing the DASH response, available publicly, hardly different from publications like IEC 60908 ("Red Book" CD-DA spec) or an RFC 791 (IP spec) -- a different language, is all.

What a mess.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by p-e-w »

GordonFremen wrote: post #68
nine_k wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> someone in Mountain View is more fluent in French than in English No, I think this is for a case of any dispute of terms and particular formulations. The French version, I suppose, is the authoritative original, and a judge or an arbitrator might call for a certified translator to make exact sense of the letter's demands.

Right, but the DMCA is an American law. It's irrelevant in France.

The only countries where American law is irrelevant are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.

Go anywhere else, and on closer examination you'll find that American law is in fact very relevant, with local governments often bending over backwards to accommodate US legal provisions. Copyright, financial regulation, and international travel are some of the areas where this is usually apparent, but far from the only ones.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by kelnos »

dspillett wrote: post #30
4ggr0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There a version of the NewPipe app which contains the SponsorBlock plugin. I use it since months and can't watch YouTube videos without it anymore.

I block ads not because I'm completely anti-advert. I'm anti being-stalked-through-my-entire-life-and-having-my-details-sold-like-I'm-a-cheap-peice-of-meat, and unfortunately ATM blocking that also means blocking most online adverts. So I draw the line before sponsorblock. At least the content creators get a better cut of that than they get from YouTube monetisation & youtube can't take it away from them as easily at…

I'm curious why you aren't anti-ad. Ads are psychological manipulation. Why would you want to subject yourself to that?

I was recently visiting some family, and saw the garbage my 7-year-old nephew sits through to get to the YouTube video he wants to see[0]. I can only assume we're just training a new generation of kids to believe that ads are a normal, inevitable part of every kind of media consumption.

I agree that creators need to be compensated somehow. And I'd be fine throwing a couple tens of cents per view of a video rather than either watch ads or block them and freeload. But micropayments will never take off (for understandable reasons), so that's pretty much never an option. For creators I watch frequently, I contribute to their Patreon if they have one, at least. But if someone links me a one-off video from someone I've never heard of, and will probably never watch a video from again, I'm not going to do that, and I'm certainly not going to let them pollute my brain with whatever advertising they've decided to push.

But I loathe every form of advertising and will block it any chance I get. If I could wear AR glasses that blocked out things like billboards, I would.

[0] (If my stupid grandfathered free GSuite account allowed it, I'd gift them a family YouTube Premium membership, but of course GSuite breaks random features everywhere.)

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#104

Post by kelnos »

kerkeslager wrote: post #99
robertlagrant wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you avoid things that are paid for by ads, there's no moral problem.

Advertising is inherently immoral and it's our moral obligation to drive advertisers into bankruptcy. All advertisers are liars. Even when they're not directly saying untrue things, they're presenting a one-sided view of the truth, to the extent of being intentionally misleading. The harm done by these lies is incalculable. The distraction. The loss of self-esteem caused by ads always telling us we aren't enough, don…

> Advertising is inherently immoral and it's our moral obligation to drive advertisers into bankruptcy.

I agree with this on principle, but in reality I wonder how we'll pay for content online if this were to happen.

Micropayments will never be a thing, and subscriptions don't make sense for random one-off videos or articles.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by kelnos »

chris37879 wrote: post #14
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #13

Isn't Google forced to comply with DMCA takedown requests regardless of their legitimacy?

No, that’s just how they’ve chosen to handle them to keep their unofficial “safe harbor” status since net neutrality is dead.

Safe harbor has nothing to do with net neutrality. Not complying with DMCA takedown notices would leave them open to legal liability, which I think is fair for them not to want to do.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by hunter2_ »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #46
hunter2_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but I'm trying to grok the essence of the technological measure being used by YouTube. I have to imagine that merely offering terms of service doesn't constitute a technological measure, and nor would merely slicing up the response in a DASH-like manner [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_ove...

Well... here's the dumb thing. The DASH-like manner (or, "rolling cipher" as they like to call it) has currently held up as being an effective protection measure. It comes up all the time when RIAA in particular sues YouTube stream-rippers. https://torrentfreak.com/deciphering-youtubes-rolling-cypher...

Off-topic: happy 10k, 1k!

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by fathyb »

simlevesque wrote: post #17
jeroenhd wrote: post #11

All of this because they don't want you to download Guizmo - Dans ma ruche ( https://ssyoutube.com/en691rT/ ) Not the first time they've spammed DMCA takedowns either: https://lumendatabase.org/faceted_search?sender_name=Because... In comically French fashion, their complaints also include the same message in French just in case someone in Mountain View is more fluent in French than in English. I wonder if this is ju…

Somebody drank too much Ballantine.

Well that's just normal!

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by 4mitkumar »

4mitkumar wrote: post #107

For what it's worth, Google results continue to show the F-droid, GitHub and all other links for NewPipe for me. May be, because I'm accessing it from outside USA

Never mind; just realised that they are blocking results to the NewPipe.net.

It still shows up when searching for it directly though

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by Foobar8568 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #72
hgsgm wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The client is French. Including a French copy of the message is entirely mundane.

The French invented the word chauvinism :) They take their language very seriously likewise. I work for a French company and even though the official language is English you're kind of a second rate citizen if you don't speak it. Or write last names in all caps or quotation marks like > :) They just are that way :P

And if you ever work in any other countries, you would see the same in different language. Work in a Swiss company? Hope you enjoy German. At one stage, French people has to stop this self deprecating and think elsewhere is much better and only French does this or that. It is not.
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