Now we just need to get them to fork Fedora.
Why? Because “Red Hat bad”? Can you explain a valid reason other than “Red Hat bad”?
SUSE is forking RHEL
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Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#102You would think they would publish the srpms of SLES so there could be a RHEL type clone but based on SUSE and fill that void.
Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and blamed that a lot of people are taking the sources and not contributing back Yet when commercial entities take code and don't contribute back, it is “just how things work”. While I appreciate that RedHat has been a good player overall compared to many others, this comes across as the kid at school happy to throw icy snowballs at everyone else moaning because they got hit by return fire. How unfair of the open s…
They contributed because it's in their best interest, and they also took down a route with Systemd that went against the philosophy of nix systems. If we're not careful we'll end up losing control of Linux or large parts of it to profit seeking corporations that don't have the free and open software movement on their agenda at all.
Oh no! They went against the PHILOSOPHY OF UNIX SYSTEMS. Please tell me why that’s even relevant to the conversation.
Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#104I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…
Our contract with the Air Force required that we document guarantees from every parts vendor for the servers we built for them that they would keep making those parts for at least a decade. They also demanded RHEL exclusively. It's a great example of how extreme stability is more important than any other question in a lot of business decisions.
> from every parts vendor for the servers we built for them that they would keep making those parts for at least a decade
and do main vendors (amd, intel, nvidia, whoever build motherboards) provide guarantees that they continue production of specific version of product for the decade?
> They also demanded RHEL exclusively. It's a great example of how extreme stability
is there evidence that rhel is more stable than debian?
Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#105I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…
> I can't figure out why RHEL compat is so desirable. Hey, here’s a comprehensive guide complete with commands, expected outcomes, and side effects of each command for setting up a Windows Domain using an RHEL domain controller: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_single... Oh, that’s for 7.5? One that’s 15 years old and no longer under standard support? It still works! Wait, but you’re a new custom…
This is otherwise known as "industry standard".
Changing an industry standard isn't impossible, but it will be a paradigm shifting challenge akin to moving mountains.
Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I can't figure out why RHEL compat is so desirable. Hey, here’s a comprehensive guide complete with commands, expected outcomes, and side effects of each command for setting up a Windows Domain using an RHEL domain controller: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_single... Oh, that’s for 7.5? One that’s 15 years old and no longer under standard support? It still works! Wait, but you’re a new custom…
I wish I could upvote this 10,000 times. Documentation isn't sexy or something. I don't know why Linux documentation sucks so much, but Redhat makes it suck must less. It takes lots of effort, money and writer hours to create the kind of documentation that Redhat maintains and businesses love documentation. A HOWTO or a FAQ are not documentation. I actually prefer man pages and I dropped Linux for my personal project…
Well, part of the reason Linux documentation often isn't very good is that Red Hat doesn't treat documentation work as something that should be submitted upstream.
Their incentives favour creating Red-Hat-specific documentation, and this then reduces their users' incentive to improve upstream documentation.
Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#107> Dirk-Peter van Leeuwen, CEO of SUSE, said, According to LinkedIn Dirk-Peter started at Suse 3 months ago as CEO and worked for Red Hat for 18 years and was a Senior VP at Red Hat. I think this move of Suse could be a credible threat to IBM / Red Hat's RHEL.
Either that, or it could be the beginning of a very long and pointless lawsuit.
For what?
Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
And it's all a ploy by Big Silicon to subjugate software. As if software needs a CPU to run!
Everyone should be free to download a copy of the source code, and interpret it in their own heads.
You would want special head gear in case of over heating, perhaps some kind of low soft felt hat with a curled brim and the crown creased lengthways.
Re: SUSE is forking RHEL
#109You would think they would publish the srpms of SLES so there could be a RHEL type clone but based on SUSE and fill that void.
OpenSUSE Leap is just that, it uses binaries directly from SLES
https://www.zdnet.com/article/suse-bridges-the-gap-between-o...