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Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Spoiler: PFAS usually (but not exclusively) around large population clusters. The Pacific Northwest of the US, aside from Portland, is looking pretty good, though.

Probably the Cascades only. Any sufficiently old DoD site is probably an environmental disaster that is known or waiting to be discovered. Like Hanford and Bremerton.

I am going by the map in TFA, which only covers PFAS -- and is a CNN article, so take it with a major grain of scientific salt.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?

Why should the government pay for it? The companies that produced these PFAS and let it pollute our country should be taxed heavily to pay for it.

I strongly suspect that those companies’ net worth isn’t enough to pay for the cleanup.

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From the ąrticle [1] references [2]: > fluoride intake levels (0.93 [0.43] vs 0.30 [0.26] mg of fluoride per day; P = .001). > Children had mean (SD) Full Scale IQ scores of 107.16 (13.26), range 52-143, with girls showing significantly higher mean (SD) scores than boys: 109.56 (11.96) vs 104.61 (14.09); P = .001. The average IQ of people in the UK is 99.12 and in Canada 99.52 [3]. Let us suppose that the hypothesis…

> it is expected then that in a country with higher average consumption of fluoride There are an unbelievable number of confounders here. Rich countries add fluoride to their water!

It is good then that people in the UK and Canada enjoy pretty much the same QoL.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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From the ąrticle [1] references [2]: > fluoride intake levels (0.93 [0.43] vs 0.30 [0.26] mg of fluoride per day; P = .001). > Children had mean (SD) Full Scale IQ scores of 107.16 (13.26), range 52-143, with girls showing significantly higher mean (SD) scores than boys: 109.56 (11.96) vs 104.61 (14.09); P = .001. The average IQ of people in the UK is 99.12 and in Canada 99.52 [3]. Let us suppose that the hypothesis…

> We observe that the average consumption of Fluoride is about an order of magnitude larger in the UK, yet, IQs are almost identical. Which hints that if such a relationship exists, it is not as pronounced (5 IQ points) as the article claims. Ecological comparisons are towards the bottom of the evidence hierarchy because there are any number of cofounders at play. For example you could accidentally conclude that smok…

Are UK and Canada that different of cohorts?

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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My bias is Anti-government. The best government is the smallest government, and I believe in strict interpretation of Article 1 Sec 8 powers. That said, where am I wrong, for the last several decades all the Democrats do is talk about how the Rich do not pay their "fair share" never defining what a fair share is.. and how we always need to tax them more... I have also seen it Move from "millionaires and billionaires"…

Given that in Article 1 Section 8 is the following: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" highlight: "provide for the common Defense and general Welfare" Seems to strongly indicate that clean wa…

Authoritarians for decades have attempting to expand "general welfare" far beyond its original remit

In Federalist 41,Madison clearly states that the general welfare clause is neither a statement of ends nor a substantive grant of power. It is a mere “synonym” for the enumeration of particular powers, which are limited and wholly define its content. From this answer, it follows that the primary meaning of the national dimension of the federal Constitution is limited government, understood as a government with a limited number of powers or means.

In short it is about the General Welfare *of the United States* on the whole, to provide means for Congress to have revenue to enforce and discharge the powers granted therein.

It is NOT.. I repeat NOT a general statement of power to provide all individuals all people "general welfare" like people attempt to conflate it to mean in modern day and as your comment asserts.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?

> apolitical bipartisan issue

Not when one party is dedicated to destroying the EPA and anything related to it

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Teflon tape is used to seal water pipe joints?

Yeah, it's mostly replaced things like pipe dope for threaded joints for air and water lines.

Yeah, sorry that was a statement guessing the cause, not a query

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Fluoride lowering IQ is not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

Your bar for "proven facts" is very low - you might want to reconsider what you read as truth and put a bit more of a filter on. I say this for your own benefit - as nothing you do bears on my life.

> as nothing you do bears on my life.

Life on earth is a highly interconnected system, otherwise, what's the point of educating people on issues like pollution, climate change, alcohol, etc.?

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bias is Anti-government. The best government is the smallest government, and I believe in strict interpretation of Article 1 Sec 8 powers. That said, where am I wrong, for the last several decades all the Democrats do is talk about how the Rich do not pay their "fair share" never defining what a fair share is.. and how we always need to tax them more... I have also seen it Move from "millionaires and billionaires"…

Small government is a common talking point pulling on the strings of what we all intuitively desire (less intrusion in our lives) without providing context. I’d love to see less government interference in people’s reproductive rights, in education like the massive censorship around US history of slavery and genocide and the slightest mention of lgbtq people. Imagine Germany fighting tooth and nail against teaching ab…

>>I’d love to see less government interference in people’s reproductive rights, in education like the massive censorship around US history of slavery and genocide and the slightest mention of lgbtq people.

I bet I can test your resolve to both of them and show you really do not want more freedom, you just want different government controls than "the other team"

For example Education. Do you support backpack funded school choice, putting the power of what schools people go to in the hands of the parents?

Reproductive Rights.. How about "Financial Abortion" or Default Joint Custody with no support to either parent? Or mandatory DNA validation before entering names on birth certificates.

>Government protecting corporations from their responsibilities to the safety of the public and toward our ecosystems is extremely oppressive

Corporations are a creation of government, the entire purpose of a corporation is to protect them from liberality. That is really the sole reason for their existence. I always love when strong government supports rail on and on about corporations when strong government is the source of power for corporations.

The stronger the government the stronger the corporations. The more centralized the government, the larger the corporations.

Since We have been putting more and more regulation an power under the pervue of the federal government the largest corporations have gone from about 20% market share on average to 80% market share on average.

Strong Central Governments weakens and prohibits competition in the market place, history proves this time and time again

>>People keeping their fair share of their labor is a similar one. I’d like to see a cap on exploitation of 99% of people, not constant reductions on the taxes that the 1% earn while they sleep - mostly at the cost of the rest not having livable wages.

"A world that is safe for today’s rich will never be safe for the rest of us. Not until the rich’s massive fortunes, and the state power propagating them, is destroyed will we be safe. Smashing the state and eating the rich are two sides of the same coin." [1]

>I want to see the US as a strong healthy nation, very very much. I think we’re on the same page, would you agree?

I want to see a Federalist nation of 50 semi-independent States joined in a common economic union under a single National Defense Apparatus where the bulk of out government interactions are at the state and local level, and most people never even think about the federal government who simply ensures we are not invaded from the outside, that States do not fight each other, and that we can trade freely on the world stage.

[1]https://c4ss.org/content/30085

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