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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by TheMiddleMan »

belthesar wrote: post #79

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

Don't you think having so many competitors offering free notes apps is a large part of it?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by Mistletoe »

julianz wrote: post #7

I wonder how that 100 year guarantee is holding up? https://longnow.org/ideas/evernote-and-the-100-year-data-gua...

I’m reminded of a quote from Tommy Boy about guarantees.

> Ted Nelson, Customer : But why do they put a guarantee on the box?

>Tommy : Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

vzaliva wrote: post #34

Personal journey: I used to be a heavy user of Evernote, but encountered a bug that the developers were not keen on fixing promptly. It was then that I realized the importance of personal notes surviving beyond companies, apps, and formats. Quickly after, I switched to a collection of plain text files using org-mode markdown and have been happy ever since.

I need to be able to sync my notes though, I use more than one device. I'd like for them to not be lost if a phone or laptop is stolen.

Ideally, it'd just sync to webdav and I could use Nextcloud. But I've only ever found a few that did sync with it, and there were always all sorts of weird limitations or bugs in those.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by freedomben »

emodendroket wrote: post #88
swayson wrote: post #77

Obsidian.md for the win. I used to use evernote way back when they started, was cool software, then they started scaling and added worst search UI I have ever come across. That day, I deleted my account and went markdown with my own storage. Don't see the benefit of why your notes should be controlled by others.

I mostly use Google Keep, which works pretty well. Though the "clippings" feature saving Web articles is pretty cool and doesn't have much of an analogue with that product.

Google keep us awesome! Very underrated. I use logseq most of the time but keep when I'm on mobile and I'll sync them later. There are scripts to hello transfer but doing it manually is pretty easy.

But on it's own keep gives me everything I need, except for the local markdown file database.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by Gigachad »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #25
timetraveller26 wrote: post #4

And to think that at one point Evernote was THE note taking app. So much wasted potential.

On the other hand, it should be possible for software to be done. I have never used Evernote, but I am not sure how much innovation is required in the note-taking space.

Any note taking software that was “done” quickly becomes not done when users requirements change. Taking notes is no longer enough. I now want to talk to my phone and have it find the note that included the info I want. Not just basic text search, but it should understand the meaning of the notes.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by lb4r »

ledauphin wrote: post #90
lb4r wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do use Git for source control-purposes, but this is the first time I hear of Syncthing. Would that allow for completely automated and frictionless syncing?

it'll be very good. it won't resolve conflicts for you, though - just like Dropbox or Google Drive also wouldn't. It's last-write-wins, so you either need to keep your devices connected and syncing at all times, or you need to be careful when you edit the same files on different devices. I use Syncthing for all kinds of things and it's excellent, but it's not really a silver for bullet for mutable data like text file…

I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion! The risk de-synchronization poses can probably be mitigated with automated local backups.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by KETHERCORTEX »

goldpizza44 wrote: post #71
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if you try to sign up for a new account? Similar level of malfunction, I assume. I am so sick of this reality. Endless dark patterns to get your money. Nearly impossible to get out. Why ever make a good product when you can just seek rent and fall into that perfect optimum of cheap-enough that cancelling is not worth the pain.

This is what virtual Credit Cards are for... Each site gets a separate number and I can expire them as needed. Unfortunately, if they get popular vendors will figure out a way to detect and refuse.

> Unfortunately, if they get popular vendors will figure out a way to detect and refuse.

Most likely it's not going to happen. While the card is virtual, payments are done with real money. Risking to lose a customer with real money isn't something most businesses will do.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by nunez »

goldpizza44 wrote: post #71
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if you try to sign up for a new account? Similar level of malfunction, I assume. I am so sick of this reality. Endless dark patterns to get your money. Nearly impossible to get out. Why ever make a good product when you can just seek rent and fall into that perfect optimum of cheap-enough that cancelling is not worth the pain.

This is what virtual Credit Cards are for... Each site gets a separate number and I can expire them as needed. Unfortunately, if they get popular vendors will figure out a way to detect and refuse.

Privacy changed their issuer precisely because this happened.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by D13Fd »

TheMiddleMan wrote: post #101
belthesar wrote: post #79

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

Don't you think having so many competitors offering free notes apps is a large part of it?

He gave the Obsidian example, which is a great one, so no. Obsidian shows you can still do well as a noted app company if you are selling the right thing (sync).
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