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A Look at Bluesky

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

#101

Post by ZanyProgrammer »

Closi wrote: post #94
CountGeek wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They (Bluesky) blew it. They had one job and that was to be ready for this moment and what did they do? Continue with the invite system (which is from Gmail era) and then disable account creations...

If they opened the floodgates with a not-ready product and also fell over, that's a much worse look. Besides, 'limited' account creation to form communities is a pretty well-established scaling strategy. They have scaled from 0 users to 200k users in 5 months - Facebook originally took a year to scale to 1m users so it's not unrealistic that Bsky are growing/scaling at approx the same pace at this stage in the curve.…

It's 2023 and Jack is on the board, someone needs to be throwing money at them to solve their scaling problems-this ain't 2005.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by MuteXR »

Zetice wrote: post #9

I'm not sure what to make of this actual submission; > A problem with the system of having a domain as a username is that people can claim it who don’t have access to that username. That was a bug, and is not generally speaking, the case. You must have the ability to alter the DNS records for the domain you wish to claim. > However, that means interactions, such as user likes, blocks, follows, etc are all public. Wit…

Blocks being public in ActivityPub is already a problem. Bad instances run bots dedicated to finding out if someone blocked someone on the server and making public posts calling for harassment of them.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by MuteXR »

eviks wrote: post #14

> But also it’s a group of overly complicated specifications that could’ve just been extensions to the ActivityPub protocol rather than a whole new protocol! So do those extensions exist (even in the form of plans), especially the ones that free you up from a server or is it just wishful thinking?

They do. Look at Hubzilla.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by xelia »

I’d say the protocol’s complexity tries to solve a lot of real problems that infest social media today, only time will tell if those solutions are the right ones.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#105

Post by shafyy »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #38
reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

canolcer@hey.com - if you've still got one? Thanks a lot either way :-)

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#106

Post by hhh »

devjab wrote: post #100
tsimionescu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think more and more people are getting fed up with centralized platforms / not owning their data. Given the meteoric rise of TikTok, I don't think there is any sign of this being true outside a small techy bubble. At least, not as a percentage (that is, the growth in the number of people who are fed up with centralized platforms is dwarfed by the growth in the number of people who are fine with centralized platfo…

I think there are two sides to this. One one hand I agree with you that this isn't an issue for the "general" public. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised to see centralized platforms like TikTok getting banned, or perhaps simply unprofitable, within the next decade as legislation slowly grinds its way into limit the impact of these platforms. Because aside from anyone wanting to take more control over their own…

Why is Denmark looking to ban tablets and smartphones? Is this a ban on use of personal devices in the school, or a ban of the use of them as educational tools?

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by devjab »

hhh wrote: post #106
devjab wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are two sides to this. One one hand I agree with you that this isn't an issue for the "general" public. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised to see centralized platforms like TikTok getting banned, or perhaps simply unprofitable, within the next decade as legislation slowly grinds its way into limit the impact of these platforms. Because aside from anyone wanting to take more control over their own…

Why is Denmark looking to ban tablets and smartphones? Is this a ban on use of personal devices in the school, or a ban of the use of them as educational tools?

They are disruptive. Basically they draw too much attention and it impacts student learning. Or at least that's the argument. I'm not sure why students were ever allowed to use iPhones during school for anything that wasn't educational, but that's probably because I'm old.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by ktosobcy »

threeseed wrote: post #22

Meanwhile, Meta Threads is on track to launch shortly [1]. Which is based on an open-standard, interoperates with Mastodon and is from a company that has the battle scars to prove that they can operate a global service in a mature and a reasonable way. Given Jack Dorsey's support of the crazier positions of Elon Musk and RFK e.g. WiFi causes leaky brain it really does look like the best of a bad bunch. [1] https://ww…

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-netwo...

yes, yes... let's cheer at Facebook doing things right...

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Kye »

mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

You still depend on someone to run another server in the event your PDS (Personal Data Server) goes away. It's just a different, bigger server (Big Graph Service) where the people who run it are even less knowable than those who run your PDS.

Moving data only works in this case if you've thought to attach your DID to a domain you control, and the server you move to connects to the BGS server your data lives on. It's still very unclear how this will work. I suspect it will be like Usenet where most BGS indexers have expiry rules and won't hold on to every post.

This is more complicated than AP and Mastodon where you know exactly where you stand when your server goes down. So many people are going to be burned because they heard it's all portable, but didn't actually understand how it worked, and find they can't migrate their identity or their posts because it all rested under [handle].somehugecentralizedserver.tld.

People who struggle with instances on Mastodon (and eventually, Bluesky) are not going to have an easier time figuring out domains and DNS to make their identity portable. This remains a huge unaddressed issue and should concern people who think Bluesky is easier just because it's unfinished.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#110

Post by Zetice »

MuteXR wrote: post #102
Zetice wrote: post #9

I'm not sure what to make of this actual submission; > A problem with the system of having a domain as a username is that people can claim it who don’t have access to that username. That was a bug, and is not generally speaking, the case. You must have the ability to alter the DNS records for the domain you wish to claim. > However, that means interactions, such as user likes, blocks, follows, etc are all public. Wit…

Blocks being public in ActivityPub is already a problem. Bad instances run bots dedicated to finding out if someone blocked someone on the server and making public posts calling for harassment of them.

Can you link to more info about this?
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