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Re: Bluesky facing degraded performance due to record high traffic

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Post by chrisbolt »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #101

Lemmy.world also seems to be getting slammed. I am out of the loop, is this because of the reddit API change or did something else happen?

Probably due to Twitter limiting unverified accounts to reading 600 posts/day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36552324

Re: Bluesky facing degraded performance due to record high traffic

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Post by jorts »

tambourine_man wrote: post #56
mg wrote: post #10

What's funny is that while Twitter wants you to log in and goes at great length to prevent you from reading anything when not logged in, the situation is exactly the other way round with Bluesky. They limit who can sign in, but openly publish all data via their API. So one could use an AT protocol client to read, or a web based client like this one: https://firesky.tv/ I just made an account, let's see how this thing…

> but openly publish all data via their API. Until they don’t. > I just made an account Isn’t BlueSky invite only?

Yes it’s still invite only.

Re: Bluesky facing degraded performance due to record high traffic

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Post by navanchauhan »

Enydosnes wrote: post #96
navanchauhan wrote: post #88

bsky-social-u4wmd-w45ar Have another invite but I will need some time to get it from the app because it is not loading for me right now. Just email me and I will send it as soon as I get it Again, please be responsible! The invite code is linked to me

Doesn't seem as though you have a publicly linked email, could you maybe provide another venue of contacting you? Would love to try out bluesky

Edit: Removed email. For everyone else who sent an email, I'll send a code along your way as soon as I get more. Do sign up for the waitlist if you can.

Re: Bluesky facing degraded performance due to record high traffic

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Post by Animats »

interroboink wrote: post #22
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #4

not surprising. centralized communication platforms suffer from the hug of death naturally occurring when people want to read information all at once.

Isn't this exactly what caching is for? If it's read-only data, I feel like hug-of-death should not be the norm. Maybe it's bad when lots of people want to interact with information all at once. Or maybe when access to information is gated behind a bunch of javascript client/server interactions. On the other hand, I'm out of touch and still just write static HTML pages when I can get away with it :þ

> If it's read-only data, I feel like hug-of-death should not be the norm.

That's what PeerTube is good at. Each video has a home site and a master copy, and each watcher helps to redistribute the video. So, if your cat video goes viral, your tiny server doesn't get hugged to death. At least in theory.

This is less distributed than bittorrent or Usenet. It's just distributed caching. Only videos currently being watched are replicated.

Now, PeerTube doesn't help with discovery. PeerTube sites only list their own videos. For this to take off and replace YouTube, a discovery mechanism (what we used to call a "search engine") is needed. Those exist.[1] (There are others, but some have bad SSL cert warnings.)

If you break the problem into discovery, hosting, and caching, all three parts are tractable. And no one part has enough authority to get uppity and act like they're in charge.

[1] https://search.joinpeertube.org/

Re: Bluesky facing degraded performance due to record high traffic

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Post by mdasen »

mg wrote: post #45
bushbaba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No guarantee they don’t change this when they get bigger and shift from user acquisition to revenue & profitability. Bluesky is VC funded and there’s expectations of revenue growth down the line.

I have not looked into it very deeply yet, but as I understand the Bluesky project, this would not be as easy for Bluesky as it is for Twitter and Reddit. You can use your own domain as your identity. Even when you use a service like bsky.app, you can use @yourdomain.com as your handle. And switch to any other service to publish under the same handle.

Anything can restrict traffic. SMTP has no lock-in and you can use your own domain, but Gmail could decide to send all your email to spam.

Anything can just start ignoring traffic and not showing content.

I remember when Google Talk used XMPP federation. Lots of people ran XMPP servers. Then Google turned off federation and only Google Talk users could chat with other Google Talk users.

Unlike email, Bluesky essentially has one service. There's no culture of openness there. It wouldn't be hard for them to decide that they'd become the single service in the future. 99% of users aren't going to leave for a different provider and they could simply black hole stuff from other providers.

I'm not saying they want to do that, but saying there's no lock-in is wrong at this point. Bluesky could shut down their ATProto entirely and just close if off and 99.9%+ of users wouldn't notice a thing.

Bluesky can only be considered open once there are many other home servers and the Bluesky home server isn't the vast majority of traffic. Let's say it's 2025 and Bluesky has 500M users and there are 10 other servers with 5,000-500,000 users. Let's say one of the alternatives seems like it might be a threat to Bluesky's business model. Bluesky simply stops sending its posts via ATProto and then users on those other servers need to migrate to Bluesky. Total lock-in. Now, if it's 2025 and Bluesky has 50M users, ATProtoX has 100M users, SkyNet has 200M users, SocialSky has 25M users, etc., then it's hard to lock someone in. Bluesky couldn't cut itself off from 85% of the network. Bluesky could cut itself off from 0.001% of the network.

Just because Bluesky is using the ATProto today doesn't mean they'll continue to. As long as Bluesky is essentially 100% of the content/users/etc., it's easy for them to pivot away from openness toward lock-in. It's only open if they can't cut others off and as long as they're the source of almost everything on the ATProto, they can always pivot away. Yes, with the ATProto you can move servers. That doesn't mean Bluesky will continue to use ATProto and have openness around posting/viewing content.

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