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Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#101

Post by ebbv »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #40
ebbv wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your theory is ridiculous. The Xbox 360 was a major success. The Zune failed because people didn't like it. Not because it's a Microsoft product. Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Now whether it's a better product or not is a subjective debate that isn't worth having, IMHO (better for whom?) But to say that they failed because of the Microsoft stigma is absurd.

> Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Really? How do you know this? Have you gone door to door asking people? You couldn't be wronger. In fact, it is ahead of Android. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/wp7-ahead-of-android-and-... http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Phone-Leads-in-Custom... Windows phones have some of the best ratings on carrier websites and Amazon. There is…

Customer satisfaction only means that people who BOUGHT one like it. It says nothing about whether all the people who DIDN'T buy one like it. What does say something to that? The sales numbers.

Those sales goons also steer people toward Android and away from iPhones as well -- for a simple reason that the carrier tells them to because the carrier makes more profit on Android phones -- but yet iPhones continue to sell extremely well.

Accept reality; most people don't like Windows Phone 7.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#102

Post by Lewisham »

tjoff wrote: post #99
nextparadigms wrote: post #17

Engadget's conclusion: "We really liked Windows 7 when it launched. It felt like a big step forward in the short time that had passed since Vista. Now, as we creep closer to a likely release near the end of this year, we can't shake a sense of doubt. Windows 8 still feels like two very different operating systems trying to be one. The potential is hugely alluring -- a single OS to rule both the tablet and the desktop…

I'm sorry, I don't get what everyone is on about. The first thing a power user will do is to go to the old-desktop and stay there, basically not interacting with metro at all. There is no point, it's about as useful as the winkey+tab is on Vista/W7. "Cool" but useless for real work. And there seems to have been numerous improvements to the windows experience (outside metro), the ability to pause file-copying etc. pro…

The first thing a power user will do is to go to the old-desktop and stay there, basically not interacting with metro at all. There is no point, it's about as useful as the winkey+tab is on Vista/W7.

I don't know if you're trying to troll or you're just incredibly short-sighted, but I'll bite.

Windows 8 is clearly designed as a hybrid OS, in the same vein that Ubuntu on Android is, even if Microsoft's marketing team don't outright say it. It's fills the use case of "I love my iPad, and I love my Mac, but I really hate that I have these two devices."

Within a year, you're going to see probably about 30% of the new machines being manufactured as tablets, with docking stations. Run the machine in tablet mode, and you get Metro, perfect for reading web pages and flinging Angry Birds around in bed. When it's time to go to work, you pop your tablet into the docking station, and up pops the Desktop for productivity apps. Metro is not going to disappear like Media Center did. It's integral to the whole thing.

The iPad is not a machine to do large amounts of work on, but you'd be surprised how many people are trying to. Have you been on a plane recently? A good half of the iPads I see are actually jammed into some horrible looking keyboard dock. Consumers seem to really want a machine that will do this. That's what Windows 8 is.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#103

Post by asnyder »

tjoff wrote: post #99
nextparadigms wrote: post #17

Engadget's conclusion: "We really liked Windows 7 when it launched. It felt like a big step forward in the short time that had passed since Vista. Now, as we creep closer to a likely release near the end of this year, we can't shake a sense of doubt. Windows 8 still feels like two very different operating systems trying to be one. The potential is hugely alluring -- a single OS to rule both the tablet and the desktop…

I'm sorry, I don't get what everyone is on about. The first thing a power user will do is to go to the old-desktop and stay there, basically not interacting with metro at all. There is no point, it's about as useful as the winkey+tab is on Vista/W7. "Cool" but useless for real work. And there seems to have been numerous improvements to the windows experience (outside metro), the ability to pause file-copying etc. pro…

I may have 8 main applications pinned to the taskbar, everything else I do is through the start menu. Frankly, all I really need is the taskbar + start menu.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#105

Post by Lewisham »

notatoad wrote: post #79
nextparadigms wrote: post #17

Engadget's conclusion: "We really liked Windows 7 when it launched. It felt like a big step forward in the short time that had passed since Vista. Now, as we creep closer to a likely release near the end of this year, we can't shake a sense of doubt. Windows 8 still feels like two very different operating systems trying to be one. The potential is hugely alluring -- a single OS to rule both the tablet and the desktop…

i feel like microsoft shouldn't have tried to include the classic/desktop mode. Metro is cool, commit to it. re-work office to exist solely in the metro interface, add a launcher to make AAA PC gaming titles compatible with metro. then, refuse to continue selling windows 7 to laptop OEMs. enterprise is going to hate metro anyways, keep selling win7 to them, but commit to metro as the way forward for consumers.

Microsoft's shareholders would have had a fit if they marginialized the enterprise in this way. Let's face it, right now all of Microsoft's current future revenue is coming from there. The shareholders wouldn't allow them to go all-in against Apple in the consumer space right now.

I expect what you're looking for will be Windows 10, once enterprises have had time to get used to Metro.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#106

Post by dasein_phil »

jeromeparadis wrote: post #56
dasein_phil wrote: post #32

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I'm getting a black screen after successful install - I assume its a similar issue to the problem with Parallels Tools in the developer preview.

Damn! Thanks. I guess I'll try it with VMWare on my PC.

For what its worth, I ended up getting it working with the same fix Parallels recommended for the original problem with parallel tools - http://kb.parallels.com/112317

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#107

Post by recoiledsnake »

ebbv wrote: post #101
recoiledsnake wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Really? How do you know this? Have you gone door to door asking people? You couldn't be wronger. In fact, it is ahead of Android. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/wp7-ahead-of-android-and-... http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Phone-Leads-in-Custom... Windows phones have some of the best ratings on carrier websites and Amazon. There is…

Customer satisfaction only means that people who BOUGHT one like it. It says nothing about whether all the people who DIDN'T buy one like it. What does say something to that? The sales numbers. Those sales goons also steer people toward Android and away from iPhones as well -- for a simple reason that the carrier tells them to because the carrier makes more profit on Android phones -- but yet iPhones continue to sell…

>Accept reality; most people don't like Windows Phone 7.

Most people don't even know about Windows Phones, and many of those that do are already wedded to iOS/Android phone contracts/ecosystem.

I would hope for you to back up such statements with some substance. By your logic, most people don't like OS X as well.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#109

Post by Joeri »

untog wrote: post #23
ebbv wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your theory is ridiculous. The Xbox 360 was a major success. The Zune failed because people didn't like it. Not because it's a Microsoft product. Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Now whether it's a better product or not is a subjective debate that isn't worth having, IMHO (better for whom?) But to say that they failed because of the Microsoft stigma is absurd.

The Zune failed because people didn't like it. I think people actually did like it, and I think that people do like Windows Phone when they try it. Zune failed because of a lack of visibility in a crowded marketplace (well, crowded in the sense that Apple is taking up 90% of the room). Windows Phone actually has the same challenge, and MS haven't really stepped up their game with regards to promoting it. Yet?

Nokia is making a huge push over here in belgium. I'm pretty sure windows phone will be outselling the iphone globally within 2 years. Nokia is still a big player outside the US, and now they actually will have a product worth buying. It's no coincidence microsoft is going after budget phones with wp7.5.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

#110

Post by Lewisham »

molecularbutter wrote: post #93
klausa wrote: post #92

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It works, but I couldn't find a way to install Boot Camp stuff, so it's pretty miserable experience (no right click, no two-finger scrolling, have to manually find Wireless drivers, I don't have audio working, etc.).

Bummer, hopefully it will be easy to set up. To get a good feel for this we really need multitouch support.

At least with the dev preview, the way to do it was to fire up Boot Camp in Lion, have it make the Windows 7 drivers USB stick, then quit Lion. Pop over to Win 8 and then install the drivers. But they don't all work (at least, I never got multitouch working).
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