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A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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#101
> “Oh, man, the number of times I’ve been asked why my company isn’t growing as fast as X and then found out X was a fraud all along.”

This, in sports, finance, startups - everywhere. Dirty players skew the dynamics of any system leading to worse outcomes for those that choose to remain honest.

We need the supposed ‘smartest guys in the room’ to be less dumb and do due diligence and we need strong consequences for founders that misstate their company’s position.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Inflation caused by the central bank that gives free money to the rich and makes classic investments in a safety account pay less than inflation. Double whammy of screwing poor people with monetary policy.

Why should you putting your money in a savings account ensure that you are protected from inflation? The whole point of an economy is for money to move and be invested, not hoarded by a dragon sleeping on a pile of gold coins.

Under fractional reserve banking, savings account deposits are lent out, which hopefully does result in productive investment

As I understand it, western retail banks that take deposits are fractional reserve banks, and have to be if they pay interest on deposits; after all, banks don't generate revenue from just looking after your money (unless they charge you for it, perhaps in the form of a negative interest rate)

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

#103

Everyone on and around social media wants new and better forms of social media. I think the average person thinks social media is the drizzling shits but if they have to use it, they'll just stick to the large platforms.

I think some users certainly act as you describe, but I suspect the majority of users will follow the early adopters after they identify and popularize a better mousetrap. The history of social media platforms suggests to me that users are fickle and have no strong connection to any platform. Friendster, MySpace, Facebook each had their moment and then most users either left the platform or spend more time on other p…

I always felt like the big switch from myspace to facebook came because facebook had a lot of games and apps that you could play and use on the platform. ironically, because facebook took such a big cut, all those apps have gone away.

for facebook to be displaced, an app has to offer something else facebook isn't offering, and most new apps offer less - going for the simpler approach. I think that's a loosing strategy myself. I remember how long I used msn messenger just because it had the email tied into it at the time. You need to offer more, not less.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

#104
Reddit famously started with a lot of fake users. I think the founders mentioned it in an interview. Even the Swedish guy from the show Succession was inflating his numbers. And those attributed clicks from Facebook (especially fb) and Google, better not to look too close.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

#105

Why is it always Softbank getting scammed?

Anybody who has seen a Masayoshi-son presentation and then gives SoftBank capital to invest deserves whatever loss they take. https://www.businessinsider.com/13-slides-softbanks-vision-f... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/golden-geese-unicorns-inside-...

i don't understand how a presentation like this (and by extension, the company) can somehow accrue nearly 70 billion in market cap. perhaps it is so genius i cannot even comprehend.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Technical due dilligence isnt that important. The first thing is that the product has to scale, be popular, then maybe make money. You can always hire people who will rewrite. The opposite doesnt work. Technically brilliant product might be unpopular or unknown. Please note: I dont say that things should be built poorly.

> Technical due dilligence isnt that important. I suspect some Theranos and uBeam investors disagree with you

Very much depends on the market. A marketplace app establishing a great user base? What will the intrusive technical due diligence get you?

Very much depends on the stage. At Idea Stage or Prototype what are you looking at exactly?

Series C biotech though…

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Non-native English speaker here. What does "serial" mean in this context? Is it referring to a linear record of achievements/prior employment?

Yes, it's referring specific to a "large quantity" aspect of it. If you achieve some X, and then achieve X again, and again, people will trust you to achieve X again. Of course, that leads to people faking past successful startups. There are plenty of successful serial entrepreneurs out there that sold stuff for pennies to their family or something like that.

Someone that has failed has learned valuable lessons on someone else’s dime. That can be more valuable that someone that got lucky to get success.

Unless they figured out how to get lucky, then definitely follow the leprechaun…

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Huh?

There is a ToS in these services as well. And you can't use many from those services to actually register an account for a meaningful service. E.g. have you created Instagram account with them? Seems like there is a determined will to blacklist as many as possible.

No there is not.

5sim.net, sms-activate.org, smspva.com, I'm talking about these, they're specifically made for that purpose, you can pick a country and a service

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

#109

Reddit famously started with a lot of fake users. I think the founders mentioned it in an interview. Even the Swedish guy from the show Succession was inflating his numbers. And those attributed clicks from Facebook (especially fb) and Google, better not to look too close.

Thanks for the spoiler. :(

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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I can pick up PAYG Sims for verifying for essentially nothing (I think the cheapest I've seen here is 10p). A phone number proves, and stops nothing. If you can't detect spam from either the message, the volume or from other users reporting, then you have bigger problems.

But you can’t automate that trivially

It just rises the upfront costs, but if the revenue exceeds these a thousand times...
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