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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by throwanem »

mcpackieh wrote: post #83
tough wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahahaha I was picturing this idea before asking tbh... We sometimes get some customers who hate the QR's, or claim not having phone/signal/whatever. I'll lend them my phone to check...

I'd refuse to touch your phone and insult you for the offer. If you don't have a paper menu the question of me giving you money is already off the table; the food is forgotten and my new mission in your restaurant is to punish you with my vindictive attitude. If enough waitresses complain about obnoxious boomers giving them grief, I think the business owner will eventually wisen up.

You don't know how the restaurant business works, for one thing. For another, acting like an asshole to waitstaff just makes you look like an asshole, and gratifying yourself in public over your supposedly principled stand in acting like an asshole doubly so.

QR code links to menus are bad, sure. I'd still rather eat at ten places that have those than one place that has you.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by marcosdumay »

radarsat1 wrote: post #6

It's actually not that bad a name for this if you think about the concept of 'fuck you' money, ie. that some people have so much money that 'fuck you' they'll do whatever they want. Similarly Instagram can only get away with this behavior because of their level of following as a social media platform. So many people use it that people want to use it to follow others, and will consequently put up with this bullshit, a…

Well, absent some very serious events, your 'fuck you' money will be there independently of what everybody else thinks.

But the 'fuck you' monopolistic behavior will work only up to the point where you annoy enough people. It is an extremely non-linear thing, and nobody never has any idea of how much further you can go, or even how long you can keep it the same.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by wpietri »

janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

> Yes, they have to.

Nope. They chose to.

Do some incentives encourage them in this direction? Sure. That's different than them "having to". Actual people are doing this, and they actually made choices toward maximum exploitation of human weakness. They are morally responsible for those choices.

I agree that people should leave those platforms and move to open solutions. That would be some good choice-making. But that possibility doesn't diminish the responsibility of the monetizers for their choices.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by duxup »

janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

And generally users of the web want things to be free / don't want to pay directly for these utilities.

I feel like we as internet users are a big part of the math here.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by wpietri »

arrowsmith wrote: post #40
tough wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahahaha I was picturing this idea before asking tbh... We sometimes get some customers who hate the QR's, or claim not having phone/signal/whatever. I'll lend them my phone to check...

Or you could just print a goddamn paper menu?

Who still has a printer? Maybe they could fax you one instead?

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by smolder »

Arnavion wrote: post #60

>I tried to simply remove the modal in the browser Inspector. It sort of worked, but I wasn’t able to scroll any further on the page. Usually when sites show a modal they also set CSS on the html / body element to disable overflow scrolling, so you'd have to find and remove that too.

And many are smart enough to not load the full page content hidden behind css these days, too.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by wpietri »

bombcar wrote: post #4

The Pinterest::Google interaction is the most annoying of these; it seems impossible to find an image result from Google on the page Pinterest shows you.

Which is especially funny given that Pinterest's business is basically one giant copyright violation. "We'll boost everybody's photos, but god forbid anybody take any of our stolen content from us!"

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by slg »

janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

>How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made?

At a certain point, who cares? A company can exist indefinitely with any level of long term profit. They don't need to constantly be maximizing profit in the short term which is where these "fuck you" patterns generally arise. We have designed a system that has convinced everyone to never be satisfied or say they have enough. But there is no reason why that needs to be the case. Companies don't need to grow every quarter forever. It is both impossible and ends up degrading the lives of both employees and customers.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by wpietri »

drivebycomment wrote: post #79
AH4oFVbPT4f8 wrote: post #71

I’m really hating the signin with google on nearly every website. I don’t want you to know who I am, I might never even return to the site. Stop asking me to login so you can data mine me.

Turn it off at https://myaccount.google.com/connections/settings

You have made my life so much better. Thank you.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by latexr »

> Instagram would force me to login 5 seconds after navigating to Ollie’s Instagram page.

That’s five more seconds than I ever got. I don’t have an Instagram account and can never look at any content. If someone sends me a link, it might render inside Messages but forget about trying to open it on the website.

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