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Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by rchaud »

lusus_naturae wrote: post #20

This is what early internet thought "the future" looks like for the web. I am wondering why there isn't design diversity (not using the sociological meaning of the word here) for forward-looking web technologies? Somehow the conversation typically centers around AR/VR or inserting crypto into everything. VisionOS is stereotypically "clean and modern". Web design in general seems so derivative and uninspired, which is…

> Web design in general seems so derivative and uninspired

The people paid to make websites have instructions to build them for the broadest audience possible. Websites are commodities first. You wouldn't expect a pamphlet at the doctor's office to have a particularly avant-garde design.

Now that doesn't mean that we can't have more design variety for websites. But unfortunately, websites are not seen in the same way as other forms of art like video games or movies, where veering from the norm is encouraged. Additionally, the death of Flash and GUI-based web tooling in general means that the people capable of building complex designs like this have formal training in writing code. And people like that usually are not building sites for novelty use cases.

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by rchaud »

101008 wrote: post #16
prolapso wrote: post #15

Futuristic UIs peaked decades ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xfTryfN050 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exz1KzuthrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC3k0d4u5BQ I really wish we had more interesting and functional examples nowadays - the web is bloated anyway, why not make more elaborate use of that bloat? Here's another example, albeit just a singular art project: https://virtualself.co/ Still, it requires tas…

A bit unfair to compare a new framework with websites made in Flash decades ago... nothing can compete against Flash websites.

Yup, building an interactive website in Flash and then being told to do it with "HTML5/CSS3" is like going from a laser rifle to a musket and gunpowder.

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by rchaud »

bamfly wrote: post #28
101008 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit unfair to compare a new framework with websites made in Flash decades ago... nothing can compete against Flash websites.

There's still no replacement for the specific thing Flash did. I get that Flash itself sucked (the power use...) but it's really damn sad we simply lost what it could do. I'd have thought we'd have a replacement by now, but no. Incidentally, last I checked, no replacement for the marquee tag, either. That tag had a lot of features, in fact, and when I looked a couple years back there seemed to be zero projects that c…

What people forget is that web browsing in general sucked on the earliest mobile devices. Remember the mosaic tiling Safari would show if you tried to scroll the page faster than the browser could render it?

Taking that into consideration, Flash worked pretty damn well on Android. It wasn't doomed because of its mobile inefficiency. It was doomed because both Apple and Android knew that they could never convince developers to build for their 30% tax walled gardens if Flash remained a fee-free alternative on the open web.

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by od0 »

axismundi wrote: post #17

2advanced Studios was always my favorite, especially https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWkNkQoQY_8 I remember Eric Jordan, the man behind it all, mentioned in an interview that the key was to make the animations flow with a rhythm.

This is the first thing I thought of when I saw this! I began learning how to build websites during this era and was always in awe of their work.

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by rchaud »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #18
Chris2048 wrote: post #6

It's funny how this still feels "futuristic". I'd argue sci-fi, or retro-punk (retro-sci-fi?). The elements of design are those from the past about the future, like 80s sci-fi movie design/tropes that became stuck with the genre, along with beige CRT monitors and large floppy disks.

Yeah, the funniest thing is that this adds latency to elements appearing as a stylistic choice. This is a stylistic callback to slower systems, like BBS on a slow connection, or UIs on a slow computer.

It's also just good UX. A lot of the web today ignores browser defaults, so when you click on a link, there is no visual indicator that you clicked it, like a link color change.

We just don't notice/care because the page usually loads quickly enough.

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by afavour »

kamikaz1k wrote: post #72
afavour wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React can be used without JS or by hydrating subtrees but those are very uncommon. It’s certainly not React’s “happy path”.

Literally just a single API call: renderToString https://react.dev/reference/react-dom/server/renderToString

Yes, I’m very aware, but renderToString is designed for later client side hydration.

To make your point you would have wanted to cite renderToStaticMarkup, but tellingly no-one ever does.

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by zestyping »

bbor wrote: post #70
aquajet wrote: post #61

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examples?

Minority Report and iron man I are the classic examples, IMO. Interactive holograms, 3D immersion, etc. can’t wait for this era!! Coming soon, it seems (with the “giant heavy headset” caveat)

Unfortunately, it turns out that waving your hands in the air for long periods of time is exhausting. UIs that look great in movies sometimes aren't practical in real life.

https://odannyboy.medium.com/why-you-want-but-wont-like-a-mi...

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by zilti »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #49
zilti wrote: post #45

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Why? React’s component model can be an excellent abstraction for building a “normal website”—or rather, its component parts—for developers who prefer it. React can compile to static HTML, without running any JS client side, and/or can be used to mount or hydrate arbitrary subtrees however one sees fit. (I’d probably favor Preact or Solid for the latter, but React is a perfectly cromulent choice)

Or just be a sane person and use HTML, CSS, and templates, and sprinkle some HTMX on top for interactivity.

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by joshmarlow »

x7ci wrote: post #37

I'm building my personal website[1] also inspired by FUI design systems. I don't think usability is an issue at all, at least with the design approach I've taken. They're just React components which you could easily feed real data. The visualizations and animations are more difficult to replicate. [1] https://x7ci.engineer/

I love this.

Arwes is about 20% too over the top for me or I would really be tempted to build something in it.

But the style ofyour site is almost exactly what I want. Are you open sourcing your component library/styling by any chance? Also, what does 'FUI' mean in this context?

Re: Arwes: Futuristic Sci-Fi UI Web Framework

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Post by joshmarlow »

anyfoo wrote: post #75

I clicked straight on the first example of a real website that uses it, and, surprisingly, I really like it: https://soulextract.com Normally I'm a "no nonsense" kind of guy for the web, actually preferring plain text as much as possible, but for creative/artistic stuff, it's different. It reminds me a bit of the extravagant flash sites of the early 2000s. Playful, and all the whimsy is part of it. I even like the so…

I actually listen to Soul Extract regularly now after finding it through this UI library!
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